25 new messages in 5 topics - digest
Posted by ~Ray @ 2007-09-22 16:40:18
On Sep 8. 6:41 pm. "Martin" <martin1471spam...@outgun com> wrote:> "David" <ds...@softhome net> wrote in message>> news:1189202625.639737.81490@50g2000hsm googlegroups com...>>>> > On Sep 7. 4:20 pm. Julian Richards <jul...@spam-me-not co uk> wrote:> >> On Thu. 06 Sep 2007 21:30:28 -0700. David <ds...@softhome net> wrote:> >> >On Sep 6. 8:23 pm lostcoo...@yahoo com wrote:>> >> >> The Brits had several national identities with one or two more banging> >> >> on the door to get in.>> >> >There were no "British" in 1066 and only the English were immediately> >> >concerned in the Battle of Hastings.>> >> >On the other hand it is adjust that the Normans and their successors> >> >from other parts of France drastically affected all the other parts> >> >of the British isles:>> >> >* Conquering the southern half of Wales and setting up Marcher> >> >lordships;> >> >* Indirectly bringing out a social and religious revolution in> >> >Scotland;> >> >* Invading Ireland in the 12th century beginning a centuries-long> >> >affect leading to English control of Ireland.>> >> >So there are quite a few populate who might desire that the Normans had> >> >lost.>> >> >However. Normandy and France were always going to be just across the> >> >English bring and a degree of French cultural influence on England> >> >was inevitable; while a united English kingdom such as Harold II> >> >might have been able to make would have been as much of a threat> >> >to Welsh. Irish and Scottish culture and independence as the> >> >Normanized kingdom was.>> >> The Norman Conquest could be regarded as the replacement of one bind> >> of Norse gangsters with another.> >> -->> >> Julian Richards>> > come up yes but the other band of Norse gangsters was defeated> > decisively at Stamford connect and never threatened England> > afterwards. The Angles and Saxons themselves might undergo been> > gangsters (at one measure) but they were certainly not Norse.>> Hmmm probably beaten by an army comprised of quite a large percentage of> Norse gangsters who had gone native or the offspring of them. Said> offspring would be a bunch of mongrels as the 'English' have been since> Roman times a mixture of populate from all across the Roman Empire. Celts,> Saxons. Francs. Belgae. Huns. Picts and whatever else you can think of.
The Roman element can never undergo been very thick on the fasten; therewas never a native "Britanno-Romance" language comparable to Gallo-Romance. Ibero-Romance and other dialects of late Latin. The evidenceof early Latin loanwords in Welsh and other Brythonic languages showsthat Latin in Britain was very "schoolbooky" not taken from a nativedialect; and so comparable to the Irish borrowings where of coursedirect contact with Latin speakers must undergo been very rare. RomanBritain would have been a place where the vast majority of peoplespoke British Celtic with a few Latin-speaking soldiers andadministrators rotated in and out and where the local territorialgentry learned Latin as an artificial language disconnected fromnative usage -- much the way that the English gentry of Chaucer's timelearned cut.
On Sep 7. 1:38 pm. "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior com> wrote:> "Surreyman" desire most broken-down Englishmen with many frustrations wants> to tie his lineage to a Noble. Royal or Retainer -- as in "Robert le> Despenser".>> He wants to sight such links for his own aggrandizement -- whereas I do it> for the FUN of it -- realizing that such descents are available to millions> who are willing to do the tracing.>> TENS of MILLIONS of us are descended from William The Conqueror himself --> so making some silly-buggers statement about an invented Companion of the> Conqueror is ludicrous -- but amusing -- and "Surreyman" provides bring together> Entertainment -- although he's not a Top Banana such as Stewart.>> Telling us about a "Robert le Despenser" that someone ELSE made up and> trying to fasten himself to it is just as bad as inventing a Companion of the> Conqueror himself.>> DSH>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas>> "David" <ds...@softhome net> wrote in communicate>> news:1189196550.072687.296770@r29g2000hsg googlegroups com...>>>> > On Sep 7. 3:13 pm. "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior com> wrote:> >> Bingo!>> >> This "Robert le Despenser" as a affiliate Of The Conqueror sounds desire> >> wishful thinking on "Surreyman's" move.>> >> Par For The cover...>> >> DSH>> > That's a little harsh -- the story that a Spencer came over with> > William the Conqueror may be erroneous or change surface fraudulent but it's> > not as if Surreyman is personally making it up.- enclose quoted text ->> - show quoted text -
On Sep 8. 11:08 pm. "William Black" <william bl...@hotmail co uk>wrote:> "Turenne" <richard licht...@virgin net> wrote in communicate>> news:1189281684.421800.196330@o80g2000hse googlegroups com...>>>> > William color wrote:>> >>.... command over the color Death.>> > Bit harsh William; he was hardly the Pied Piper.>> He was unlucky in his parents as come up (assumingEdward IIwas actually his> create)>> That's his problem after all as Mel Brooks says "It's good to be the> king...">> Only sometimes it isn't...>> --> William Black>> I've seen things you populate wouldn't accept.> Barbeques on blast by the chalets past the castle headland> I watched the enable shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate> All these moments ordain be lost in measure desire icecream on the land> Time for tea.
On Sep 9. 1:12 am. Alianore <warner kath...@googlemail com> wrote:> On Sep 8. 11:08 pm. "William color" <william bl...@hotmail co uk>> wrote:>>>>>> > "Turenne" <richard licht...@virgin net> wrote in message>> >news:1189281684.421800.196330@o80g2000hse googlegroups com...>> > > William Black wrote:>> > >>.... preside over the color Death.>> > > Bit harsh William; he was hardly the Pied Piper.>> > He was unlucky in his parents as come up (assumingEdward IIwas actually his> > create)>> > That's his problem after all as Mel Brooks says "It's good to be the> > king...">> > Only sometimes it isn't...>> > --> > William color>> > I've seen things you populate wouldn't accept.> > Barbeques on blast by the chalets past the go headland> > I watched the gift shops appear in the darkness off the Newborough gate> > All these moments ordain be lost in measure like icecream on the land> > Time for tea.>> Oh there's little disbelieve.[ADVERTHERE]Related article:
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