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* New director bringing "Flash" to big check - 5 messages. 3 authors * Reuters: 'Bee Movie' "Boring". "Unfunny" - 3 messages. 3 authors * Hollywood Writers touch Is On - 3 messages. 3 authors * Anti-war movies hurt America - and debase the art of film - 5 messages. 5 authors * OT: Bill Maher. Garry Kasparov - 1 messages. 1 author * HORRIFYING! G. I. Joe to be turned into pan-European blue beret broider - 3 messages. 3 authors * DAY WATCH (no spoilers) - 1 messages. 1 compose * open some movies on Google - 1 messages. 1 compose * Glenn Beck upset about G. I. Joe movie among others. - 1 messages. 1 author * AMERICAN GANGSTER (no spoilers) - 1 messages. 1 author * Greg Berlanti Set to Direct Green Lantern - 1 messages. 1 author On Nov 2. 9:21 am. Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> New director bringing "Flash" to big check> By Borys Kit> Fri Nov 2. 1:21 AM ET>> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has come aboard "The radiate," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros communicate> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits include "Wedding> Crashers" and "Shanghai Knights.">> In comics lore there undergo been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> it is unclear which version ordain appear in Dobkin's movie the project> is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice League of> America" movie in which the Flash is a major character.>> The script is being written by Craig Wright the creator of ABC's "alter> Sexy Money.">> "Fred Claus" comes out November 9 via Warner Bros.>> Reuters/Hollywood Reporter "Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote in messagenews:Xns99DC5F40FE907agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102...> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has come aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros project> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits include "Wedding> Crashers" and "Shanghai Knights.">> In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters.> While it is unclear which version will appear in Dobkin's movie the> project is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice unify> of America" movie in which the radiate is a major character. "It's designed to work as a spin-off from ['JLA'] so we're honoring the story and we're working in tandem with the storytelling," he said. "I think we'll just have to see how the movie does and how it works off it but it certainly would be a movie that comes after 'Justice League.'" I think it's folly to be linking anything to the JLA movie. Theyshould direct Welling as Superman but make it separate fromSmallville. Superman Returns. Batman Begins and any otherstandalone movies or future TV series they do. Same withSmallville itself. Next season should be it for the Smallverse. A "Kara. Supergirl" series or anything else should be a freshreboot. (They should direct Vandervoort and Ashmore though,because that's working and will bring home the bacon in a new series.) "KalElFan" <kalelfanNOSPAM@yahoo com> wrote in messagenews:5p0tpfFp147qU1@mid individual net...> They're using Hal Jordan which is the correct way to go IMO.> Same with Barry Allen and same with Cousin Kara and if they> ever do Spectre it should be Jim Corrigan. The original source> material is always best. If there's something genuinely new> and worthwhile in subsequent versions that could be built in> to the story. I know I'm going to hear it if I already haven't that Jay Garrick wasthe original Flash not Barry Allen and Alan Scott the first GL notHal Jordan. But Barry Allen was the plate Age Flash and HalJordan the Silver Age Green Lantern. The other major Silver Ageheroes of the 1950s and 60s like Superman. Batman and WonderWoman hadn't changed in any study way in terms of their alter egosor back stories. Kara was introduced in the 50s as come up and that50s to 60s era was really the heyday for DC Heroes that becameestablished in other media. The Flash TV series in 1990 usedBarry Allen and Hal Jordan is the beat known GL. It's trivia that Jay Garrick and Alan Scott were the originals andthat Jimmy Olsen and Perry color weren't there originally and thatthere was no kryptonite originally and that Superman couldn't flyhe only leaped. Very few are even alive that remembers havingGarrick and Scott at the time. It's Allen and Jordan that gainedthe foothold in the 50s through 80s while modern comics typicallyhave "readership" (and I use the call loosely because some ofit is collectors and old fanboys) of perhaps 40,000 and in the caseof radiate and color Lantern it's been 20,000 or less at times. Themodern incarnations just never broke out while the Golden Agenever broke out either. It's only when the characters rebooted inthe 50s that they became established. > George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper net> wrote in> news:6abmi3pa2qu4e1pjamii8roogn435jigi2@4ax com: > > > On Fri. 02 Nov 2007 13:21:30 GMT. Agent Smith> > <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> > > >>In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet > >>speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> >>it is unclear which version will appear in Dobkin's movie,> > > > Barry. Gotta be Barry.. Jay only if they make it a period conjoin i.> > e. set in the 40's..> > I would like that. With the Flash it wouldn't make much difference. But the Alan Scott Lantern would be a lot more interesting. A real lantern not something called a lantern for no sensible reason (and worse derivative of Ultraman). And vulnerability to a alter is about the stupidest idea I've ever seen in a comic book. And there goes the whole raison etre for Solomon Grundy. "Garondo Marondo" <Classic. Mr. hit@gmail com> wrote in message news:1193983386.635314.210510@k79g2000hse googlegroups com...> >> By GARY GENTILE. AP Business Writer>> LOS ANGELES - Hollywood writers who undergo desire complained of being> underpaid and getting little respect said Thursday they would go on> strike for the first time in nearly 20 years to contend for a bigger> piece of the television and movie industry action. I evaluate this could be a long one. The Internet as a common video distribution system didn't exist twenty years ago (most didn't even comprehend about it until about fifteen years ago and even that wasn't much good for video.) There's a whole new degree of legislation to work out. I don't think they writers will be happy until they're making the same as the actors. It's not a simple consider. A writer writes a compose and gets a check from the producer. The actors perform and get their checks. But now they get continued payment every time the movie or TV show runs. The rationale is that if they didn't nobody would hire writers or actors they'd just act selling the same stuff over and over. Same thinking is behind the RIAA complaining about populate downloading music. It started with the idea that recording technology puts live musicians actors whatever out of work but nowadays technology creates more and more channels of distribution and more demand for work. >On Nov 1. 3:23 pm. Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse com> wrote:>> iwantthisn...@gmail com (wantthis) wrote innews:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com:>>>> > On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> > wrote:>> >> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>> >> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>> >> >That all changed when the Baby Boomers took over Hollywood in the>> >> >1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->> >> >loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>> >> >world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>> >> >systematically excluded.>>>> > actually if we didnt do so much stuff that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> > maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> > POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....>>>> Popular?>>>> So the post's statement "Is it any wonder that recent anti-war films>> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box>> office?" isn't true?>>>> -->> Bert Hyman | St. Paul. MN | b...@iphouse com>>Bert some films alter money others don't. How long can Hollywood>Studios be in business if their films don't make money? How likely>are they to make films if they don't think they will make money? What>possibility is there that they are not simply trying to accomodate>popular preferences in enter? And popular political views?>>Look these guys in Hollywood are rich and part of the status quo.>They themselves may not particularly support the views presented in>these films. But obviously this is what they think ordain change. Why>else would they make them? Well they may be trying to accomodate a popular political believe but I think the evidence has clearly demonstrated that even among their sympathizers there's no real grass roots support for these films when it comes time to purchase tickets or rent the dvds. I'm starting to evaluate that if Fahrenheit 9/11 hadn't have come out in the run up to the 2004 presidential election it might not undergo done as well as it did. And it does help cater into the anti-American sentiment just as much as having American troops on the ground over there. So if you know that neither President furnish nor President-elect Clinton or Vice-President Elect Obama are going to have the troops out any sooner than 2013 why act putting American troops in additional harms way by agitating the emotions of the populate they're supposedly over there to back up? All of Hollywood's catterwalling isn't going to lead to a drawdown of troops one millisecond faster. True that but Hollywood has a pack mentality. When Fast&Furious became a hit all of the sudden we had "Fast Lane" on FOX as well as Torque. Biker Boyz and Redline none of which were hits. Once you've beaten a concept into the fasten there generally comes a point even among the least intelligent Hollywood executives where they forbid churning out failed product. At this point all I can figure with Hollywood is that they're hoping to alter the political landscape in the next election cycle but voters undergo proven that they don't pay much attention to what Hollywood has to say when it comes to politics. They've change surface taken to trying to hide their communicate in big name films such as War of the Worlds and The Manchurian Candidate; though those made some money. Bush comfort won. I think Hollywood should be more concerned about turning out great product rather than trying to influence elections. Roger: Hey with this mortar launcher we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!Steve: Oh. I desire I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"Roger: Yesss let's get that intend between you me and the string of therapists who won't be able to back up you. On Nov 2. 5:25 am. "kill me" <stran...@corrall msx> wrote:> "Calvin" <cri...@windstream net> wrote: (about 'Tokyo Rose'):> >> > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> >> > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> >> > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> >> > Now they comprehend her from kindergarten through college and in> >> > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> >> But what do you populate want to defend with your wars?> >> ...> > The war I was referring to was World War II. That war defended> > your ass and your right to be ungrateful for it.>> You undergo no right to affirm the moral ground for fighting WWII.> Firstly. I disbelieve you fought in it. ... Bert Hyman wrote:> iwantthisname@gmail com (wantthis) wrote in> news:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com: > >> On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> wrote: >>> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>>> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>>>>> That all changed when the Baby Boomers took over Hollywood in the>>>> 1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->>>> loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>>>> world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>>>> systematically excluded. >> actually if we didnt do so much stuff that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....> > Popular?> > So the post's statement "Is it any wonder that recent anti-war films> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box> office?" isn't true? On 2 nov. 13:39 tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:> On Nov 1. 11:11?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:>>>> > On Nov 1. 9:13 pm tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:>> > > On Nov 1. 4:52?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:> > > > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> > > > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> > > > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> > > > Now they hear her from kindergarten through college and in> > > > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> > > Because Americans are really really really stupid? Not you of course,> > > but the be of the muddled masses now tell me why THAT belief> > > isn't "anti-American".>> > It has nothing to do with intelligence. Some of us were not> > indoctrinated> > with liberalism from cradle to adulthood as has been happening ever> > since the 60s though none of us had alternative media until communicate> > radio> > took hold in the late 80s and telecommunicate TV became important as a news> > obtain more recently than that.>> > But we were discussing anti-American propaganda and that is> > one thing you can't pin on the alter. The Iran leader and Osama> > Bin Laden would both make great keynote speakers for the> > Democrat convention which everyone not on the left finds> > grimly amusing. Hugo Chavez could do it too as could Castro.> > Tokyo Rose too if she comfort existed.>> "Anti-American propaganda"? But what is that but the assertion that a> free populate will inevitably choose lies over truth? What is that but> the end lack of faith in the ability of a democratic nation to> make the choices that will preserve their freedoms? That ideal comfort> exists throughout the world--do you seriously think that it is> threatened by a cadre of madmen living in caves?> "Alternative media"? Roger Ailes' little store enterprize--now> selectively quoting contradict reviews of his crappy business channel to> make it appear better? Ann Coulter? So repressed by the dominant media> that she can't get a word out? Rupert Murdoch OWNS a movie studio or> two--why is he not filling the theatres with right wing entertainment> to oppress the left wing deflower? On Oct 22. 4:55 am nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:> On Oct 21. 3:00?am. Flasherly <gjerr...@ij net> wrote:>>>> > On Oct 20. 5:15 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 20. 4:41?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > On Oct 20. 3:45 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > > > On Oct 20. 1:51?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > > > (bring together warning: this affix is off-topic and purely political. Save your> > > > > > bitching until such posts ever be a noticeable fraction of my> > > > > > contributions here.)>> > > > > > Last night's account Maher show on HBO if you missed it is worth> > > > > > tracking drink as a moment of good television. It began with an okay> > > > > > taped interview with John Edwards.. followed by a live encounter> > > > > > between Maher and some in-audience assholes. Maher himself helping to> > > > > > expel them.. and then the show got good with a visit from Garry> > > > > > Kasparov former World Chess Champion currently running for Putin's> > > > > > job (iirc). Here's some well-written coverage I found (from overseas,> > > > > > of cover):>> > > > > > >> > > > > 'Chris Matthews talk show entertain (NBC news panel and MSNBC's Hardball)> > > > > and former political aide chimes in with the following eulogy: "Do> > > > > you ever get the feeling that they are playing chess and we are> > > > > playing checkers? He is so far beyond.. that was sophisticated and> > > > > this audience was listening to every word. Our guys never get to that> > > > > level of sophistication. They talk down to us."'>> > > > > Bold talk coming from Chris Matthews a copy of sophistication and> > > > > not talking down to people. The only reason I watch his show is> > > > > because Pat Buchanan's so much fun.>> > > > I don't often watch Matthews's show -- e g.. I'm not sure where or if> > > > you're being ironic above -- but I do enjoy him because desire Maher,> > > > he's given to the occasional candid observation.. such as the dead-on> > > > reaction you quoted...>> > > > > (An off-topic post for sure and mildly coincidental since I just got> > > > > a Kasparov endorsed travel chess computer today and I'm sitting here> > > > > wondering if I'll be able to play it with any proficiency or if I'm> > > > > doomed to endlessly try to figure out what conjoin is what.)>> > > > I undergo (in the distant past) played chess well enough to grasp> > > > slightly what it means to be a good chess player. I don't think you> > > > need to be Kasparov to qualify> > > > as a world leader but I wouldn't mind seeing say a one-time 1500> > > > rating as a prerequisite for Washington...>> > > I played in high school. We shared a sponsor with the cheerleaders so> > > we'd compete chess while they practiced their cheers. I'm sure there's a> > > teen sex comedy in there somewhere. But I'm trying to get bak into> > > chess because I want to see if I'm any good at it or if I'm doomed to> > > the impulsive sloppy mediocrity that is my style.>> > It'll sharpen and tighten your obvious mistakes. Chess computers are> > tedious when it comes to sloppiness and will go after easy pieces.> > Simple attrition by the LCD. Learn an opening well and variants to> > transpose and argue yourself. There are are good chess engines> > posing interesting insights for problematic reasoning in analyzed> > games as well as straight-forward books from tournaments. A good> > site to practise is from: BlitzIn interface to ICC which is free but> > you'll always be a unrated guest until contributing. Sign in and look> > for the registered players assigned a rating. Through playing them> > over time you'll be able inform how well you stand in rated compete.- Hide quoted text ->> > - Show quoted text ->> What I was worried about was *literally* not being able to express the> pieces apart since this is one of those handheld jobbies with a> stylus. But I think I've got it. I played in H. S. some clubs. My first computer was some techjock'schess creation out of NASA on the other coast where they launch whichI paid 30 or more times your stylus (inflation counts). Other thankeeping a game tight (avoiding stupid mistakes like undefended pawns),they're limited by comparison to schedule written for a personalcomputer to be chess aides. This one's fun as hell - a whole library of (lost and convoluted)tournament play entire openings to watch develop. (at fail)positioned to instruct for a follow through at maximum alter for theminimum be of moves to win (or deviate and continue from oddswithin the engine). > In 2009 the movie will go out and instead of bing an "American> hero" he's going to be part of a Brussel's based "Global Integrated> Joint Operating Agency!!!"> Some LIB queer decided to "UN-ize" an American comic icon.> Disgusting. But leftist LIBS love the idea of a World Government that> would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother. An the "wise"> appointees would decide all conflicts. God back up us. But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Governmentthat would ennoble over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"appointees that would adjudicate all conflicts. I tells ya liberalsand conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't callthemselves that. "Walter Traprock" <wetraprock@hotmail com> wrote in message news:wetraprock-879A19.10241402112007@newsgroups comcast net...> But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Government> that would ennoble over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"> appointees that would decide all conflicts. I tells ya liberals> and conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't label> themselves that. I'm not sure that rightist conservatives love the idea of a one world government but they're certainly not as opposed to Big Brother or Big Government desire they used to be. Liberals be to punish you by telling you how you can pay your money and conservatives be to punish you by telling you what you can do with your body. They're almost opposite sides of the exact same coin. Nonetheless. I have to agree with RichA that this G. I. Joe film is an abomination. It would undergo to be something pretty spectacular and amazing for me to overcome my repulsion and disgust at what they've done with this character and actually go see it. Quite frankly. I don't understand why they change surface bother. Why not just call it something else? They've stripped it of just about everything that ever made the property uniquely American. And compel on Hasbro for allowing Paramount to go through with this ridiculous idea. On Nov 2. 7:58 am trotsky <gmsi...@email com> wrote:> moviePig wrote:> > In DAY WATCH the sequel to measure year's NIGHT WATCH. Moscow's vampire> > armies continue their eternal cold war. I do seem to recall that the> > earlier movie offered the diligent viewer at least morsels of drama.> > But that's out of the question for this new offering which though> > not quite totally incomprehensible nevertheless succumbs many times> > over to incurable attention-deficit disorder. *However*.. a saving> > grace is that depending on how you count this movie may actually> > have more visual effects than KING KONG. Moreover they're> > incorporated with a hyperactivity (to go with the ADD) that makes the> > whole 2.5 hour mess almost watchable (at least for a genre devotee).> > Besides you don't find that many Russian challenge horror conceive of flicks> > that crib from annoy Potter and Shakespeare. Even with very little> > gore (or change surface vampirism) to justify its 'R'-rating. DAY check is> > marginally recommended.>> So if it had more gore it would undergo more or less of a chance of being> "marginally recommended"? Ridley Scott's free-enterprise pageant AMERICAN GANGSTER lacks ofcourse the satisfying story-structure of THE GODFATHER and sometimesfeels actually a little unkempt.. but does have the based-on-factthing going for it. That a good cast in book form and Scott's nice'60s Harlem ambience makes for a worthwhile viewing experience. Commendably. GANGSTER preserves a degree of moral ambivalence unusualfor a wide-release. E g. the opening shot assuring us that Denzelis on the wrong side of the law seemed to be almost an editingafterthought.. lest the issue be too long in doubt. (Personally,I open him more engaging here than I did his Oscar bad guy.)Meanwhile. Crowe dons the supporting role (imo).. and fares betterthan he did in either YUMA or A GOOD YEAR. Overall a pretty goodtime at the movies. come up recommended.

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Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> New director bringing "Flash" to big check> By Borys Kit> Fri Nov 2. 1:21 AM ET>> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has go aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros project> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits include "Wedding> Crashers" and "abduct Knights.">> In comics lore there undergo been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> it is unclear which version will be in Dobkin's movie the project> is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice League of> America" movie in which the Flash is a major character.>> The script is being written by Craig Wright the creator of ABC's "Dirty> Sexy Money.">> "Fred Claus" comes out November 9 via Warner Bros.>> Reuters/Hollywood Reporter "Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote in messagenews:Xns99DC5F40FE907agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102...> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has come aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros communicate> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits include "Wedding> Crashers" and "Shanghai Knights.">> In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters.> While it is unclear which version ordain appear in Dobkin's movie the> project is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice League> of America" movie in which the radiate is a study character. "It's designed to bring home the bacon as a spin-off from ['JLA'] so we're honoring the story and we're working in tandem with the storytelling," he said. "I evaluate we'll just undergo to see how the movie does and how it works off it but it certainly would be a movie that comes after 'Justice League.'" I think it's folly to be linking anything to the JLA movie. Theyshould cast Welling as Superman but alter it separate fromSmallville. Superman Returns. Batman Begins and any otherstandalone movies or future TV series they do. Same withSmallville itself. Next toughen should be it for the Smallverse. A "Kara. Supergirl" series or anything else should be a freshreboot. (They should cast Vandervoort and Ashmore though,because that's working and will work in a new series.) "KalElFan" <kalelfanNOSPAM@yahoo com> wrote in messagenews:5p0tpfFp147qU1@mid individual net...> They're using Hal Jordan which is the correct way to go IMO.> Same with Barry Allen and same with Cousin Kara and if they> ever do Spectre it should be Jim Corrigan. The original source> material is always best. If there's something genuinely new> and worthwhile in subsequent versions that could be built in> to the story. I experience I'm going to comprehend it if I already haven't that Jay Garrick wasthe original radiate not Barry Allen and Alan Scott the first GL notHal Jordan. But Barry Allen was the plate Age radiate and HalJordan the Silver Age Green Lantern. The other major Silver Ageheroes of the 1950s and 60s like Superman. Batman and WonderWoman hadn't changed in any major way in terms of their alter egosor back stories. Kara was introduced in the 50s as come up and that50s to 60s era was really the heyday for DC Heroes that becameestablished in other media. The Flash TV series in 1990 usedBarry Allen and Hal Jordan is the best known GL. It's trivia that Jay Garrick and Alan Scott were the originals andthat open Olsen and Perry White weren't there originally and thatthere was no kryptonite originally and that Superman couldn't flyhe only leaped. Very few are even alive that remembers havingGarrick and Scott at the time. It's Allen and Jordan that gainedthe foothold in the 50s through 80s while modern comics typicallyhave "readership" (and I use the term loosely because some ofit is collectors and old fanboys) of perhaps 40,000 and in the caseof Flash and Green Lantern it's been 20,000 or less at times. Themodern incarnations just never broke out while the Golden Agenever broke out either. It's only when the characters rebooted inthe 50s that they became established. > George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper net> wrote in> news:6abmi3pa2qu4e1pjamii8roogn435jigi2@4ax com: > > > On Fri. 02 Nov 2007 13:21:30 GMT. Agent Smith> > <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> > > >>In comics lore there undergo been four incarnations of the scarlet > >>speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> >>it is unclear which version will appear in Dobkin's movie,> > > > Barry. Gotta be Barry.. Jay only if they alter it a period piece i.> > e. set in the 40's..> > I would like that. With the radiate it wouldn't make much difference. But the Alan Scott Lantern would be a lot more interesting. A real lantern not something called a lantern for no sensible cerebrate (and worse derivative of Ultraman). And vulnerability to a color is about the stupidest idea I've ever seen in a comic book. And there goes the whole raison etre for Solomon Grundy. "Garondo Marondo" <Classic. Mr. Hole@gmail com> wrote in message news:1193983386.635314.210510@k79g2000hse googlegroups com...> >> By GARY GENTILE. AP Business Writer>> LOS ANGELES - Hollywood writers who have long complained of being> underpaid and getting little respect said Thursday they would go on> touch for the first measure in nearly 20 years to contend for a bigger> piece of the television and movie industry action. I think this could be a desire one. The Internet as a common video distribution system didn't exist twenty years ago (most didn't even hear about it until about fifteen years ago and even that wasn't much good for video.) There's a whole new degree of legislation to work out. I don't think they writers will be happy until they're making the same as the actors. It's not a simple consider. A writer writes a script and gets a check from the producer. The actors act and get their checks. But now they get continued payment every time the movie or TV show runs. The rationale is that if they didn't nobody would hire writers or actors they'd just act selling the same stuff over and over. Same thinking is behind the RIAA complaining about populate downloading music. It started with the idea that recording technology puts live musicians actors whatever out of work but nowadays technology creates more and more channels of distribution and more bespeak for work. >On Nov 1. 3:23 pm. Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse com> wrote:>> iwantthisn...@gmail com (wantthis) wrote innews:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com:>>>> > On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> > wrote:>> >> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>> >> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>> >> >That all changed when the Baby Boomers took over Hollywood in the>> >> >1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->> >> >loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>> >> >world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>> >> >systematically excluded.>>>> > actually if we didnt do so much stuff that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> > maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> > POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....>>>> Popular?>>>> So the post's statement "Is it any wonder that recent anti-war films>> desire "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" undergo bombed at the box>> office?" isn't true?>>>> -->> Bert Hyman | St. Paul. MN | b...@iphouse com>>Bert some films make money others don't. How long can Hollywood>Studios be in business if their films don't make money? How likely>are they to make films if they don't think they ordain make money? What>possibility is there that they are not simply trying to accomodate>popular preferences in film? And popular political views?>>Look these guys in Hollywood are rich and part of the status quo.>They themselves may not particularly give the views presented in>these films. But obviously this is what they think will sell. Why>else would they alter them? Well they may be trying to accomodate a popular political view but I evaluate the evidence has clearly demonstrated that even among their sympathizers there's no real grass roots support for these films when it comes time to purchase tickets or rent the dvds. I'm starting to evaluate that if Fahrenheit 9/11 hadn't undergo come out in the run up to the 2004 presidential election it might not have done as come up as it did. And it does help cater into the anti-American sentiment just as much as having American troops on the fasten over there. So if you know that neither President Bush nor President-elect Clinton or Vice-President Elect Obama are going to undergo the troops out any sooner than 2013 why keep putting American troops in additional harms way by agitating the emotions of the people they're supposedly over there to back up? All of Hollywood's catterwalling isn't going to lead to a drawdown of troops one millisecond faster. True that but Hollywood has a pack mentality. When Fast&Furious became a hit all of the sudden we had "Fast Lane" on FOX as well as Torque. Biker Boyz and Redline none of which were hits. Once you've beaten a concept into the fasten there generally comes a point change surface among the least intelligent Hollywood executives where they stop churning out failed product. At this point all I can evaluate with Hollywood is that they're hoping to alter the political adorn in the next election cycle but voters have proven that they don't pay much attention to what Hollywood has to say when it comes to politics. They've even taken to trying to enclose their communicate in big label films such as War of the Worlds and The Manchurian Candidate; though those made some money. Bush still won. I think Hollywood should be more concerned about turning out great product rather than trying to influence elections. Roger: Hey with this mortar launcher we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!Steve: Oh. I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna change up as a girl and get him to undergo sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"Roger: Yesss let's leave that intend between you me and the string of therapists who won't be able to back up you. On Nov 2. 5:25 am. "Stone me" <stran...@corrall msx> wrote:> "Calvin" <cri...@windstream net> wrote: (about 'Tokyo Rose'):> >> > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> >> > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> >> > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> >> > Now they comprehend her from kindergarten through college and in> >> > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> >> But what do you populate be to argue with your wars?> >> ...> > The war I was referring to was World War II. That war defended> > your ass and your right to be ungrateful for it.>> You have no right to affirm the moral ground for fighting WWII.> Firstly. I doubt you fought in it. ... Bert Hyman wrote:> iwantthisname@gmail com (wantthis) wrote in> news:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com: > >> On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> wrote: >>> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>>> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>>>>> That all changed when the Baby Boomers took over Hollywood in the>>>> 1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->>>> loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>>>> world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>>>> systematically excluded. >> actually if we didnt do so much stuff that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....> > Popular?> > So the post's statement "Is it any query that recent anti-war films> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box> office?" isn't true? On 2 nov. 13:39 tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:> On Nov 1. 11:11?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:>>>> > On Nov 1. 9:13 pm tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:>> > > On Nov 1. 4:52?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:> > > > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> > > > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> > > > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> > > > Now they hear her from kindergarten through college and in> > > > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> > > Because Americans are really really really stupid? Not you of course,> > > but the be of the muddled masses now tell me why THAT belief> > > isn't "anti-American".>> > It has nothing to do with intelligence. Some of us were not> > indoctrinated> > with liberalism from cradle to adulthood as has been happening ever> > since the 60s though none of us had alternative media until talk> > communicate> > took hold in the late 80s and telecommunicate TV became important as a news> > source more recently than that.>> > But we were discussing anti-American propaganda and that is> > one thing you can't pin on the alter. The Iran leader and Osama> > Bin Laden would both alter great keynote speakers for the> > Democrat convention which everyone not on the left finds> > grimly amusing. Hugo Chavez could do it too as could Castro.> > Tokyo Rose too if she comfort existed.>> "Anti-American propaganda"? But what is that but the assertion that a> remove people will inevitably decide lies over truth? What is that but> the complete lack of faith in the ability of a democratic nation to> make the choices that will hold their freedoms? That ideal still> exists throughout the world--do you seriously think that it is> threatened by a cadre of madmen living in caves?> "Alternative media"? Roger Ailes' little garage enterprize--now> selectively quoting negative reviews of his crappy business channel to> make it sound exceed? Ann Coulter? So repressed by the dominant media> that she can't get a word out? Rupert Murdoch OWNS a movie studio or> two--why is he not filling the theatres with right go entertainment> to oppress the left wing taint? On Oct 22. 4:55 am cut <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:> On Oct 21. 3:00?am. Flasherly <gjerr...@ij net> wrote:>>>> > On Oct 20. 5:15 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 20. 4:41?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > On Oct 20. 3:45 pm cut <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > > > On Oct 20. 1:51?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > > > (Fair warning: this affix is off-topic and purely political. Save your> > > > > > bitching until such posts ever comprise a noticeable fraction of my> > > > > > contributions here.)>> > > > > > Last night's Bill Maher show on HBO if you missed it is worth> > > > > > tracking down as a moment of good television. It began with an okay> > > > > > taped interview with John Edwards.. followed by a live encounter> > > > > > between Maher and some in-audience assholes. Maher himself helping to> > > > > > expel them.. and then the show got good with a visit from Garry> > > > > > Kasparov former World Chess Champion currently running for Putin's> > > > > > job (iirc). Here's some well-written coverage I found (from overseas,> > > > > > of course):>> > > > > > >> > > > > 'Chris Matthews communicate show host (NBC news panel and MSNBC's Hardball)> > > > > and former political aide chimes in with the following eulogy: "Do> > > > > you ever get the feeling that they are playing chess and we are> > > > > playing checkers? He is so far beyond.. that was sophisticated and> > > > > this audience was listening to every evince. Our guys never get to that> > > > > level of sophistication. They talk down to us."'>> > > > > Bold talk coming from Chris Matthews a copy of sophistication and> > > > > not talking down to people. The only reason I watch his show is> > > > > because Pat Buchanan's so much fun.>> > > > I don't often watch Matthews's show -- e g.. I'm not sure where or if> > > > you're being ironic above -- but I do enjoy him because like Maher,> > > > he's given to the occasional candid observation.. such as the dead-on> > > > reaction you quoted...>> > > > > (An off-topic post for sure and mildly coincidental since I just got> > > > > a Kasparov endorsed travel chess computer today and I'm sitting here> > > > > wondering if I'll be able to play it with any proficiency or if I'm> > > > > doomed to endlessly try to figure out what conjoin is what.)>> > > > I have (in the distant past) played chess well enough to grasp> > > > slightly what it means to be a good chess player. I don't evaluate you> > > > be to be Kasparov to qualify> > > > as a world leader but I wouldn't object seeing say a one-time 1500> > > > rating as a prerequisite for Washington...>> > > I played in high school. We shared a support with the cheerleaders so> > > we'd compete chess while they practiced their cheers. I'm sure there's a> > > teen sex comedy in there somewhere. But I'm trying to get bak into> > > chess because I want to see if I'm any good at it or if I'm doomed to> > > the impulsive sloppy mediocrity that is my style.>> > It'll alter and tighten your obvious mistakes. Chess computers are> > tedious when it comes to sloppiness and ordain go after easy pieces.> > Simple attrition by the LCD. hit the books an opening well and variants to> > transpose and defend yourself. There are are good chess engines> > posing interesting insights for problematic reasoning in analyzed> > games as come up as straight-forward books from tournaments. A good> > place to practise is from: BlitzIn interface to ICC which is free but> > you'll always be a unrated guest until contributing. Sign in and look> > for the registered players assigned a rating. Through playing them> > over time you'll be able apprise how come up you stand in rated play.- Hide quoted text ->> > - show quoted text ->> What I was worried about was *literally* not being able to express the> pieces apart since this is one of those handheld jobbies with a> stylus. But I think I've got it. I played in H. S. some clubs. My first computer was some techjock'schess creation out of NASA on the other coast where they open whichI paid 30 or more times your stylus (inflation counts). Other thankeeping a game tight (avoiding stupid mistakes like undefended pawns),they're limited by comparison to schedule written for a personalcomputer to be chess aides. This one's fun as hell - a whole library of (lost and convoluted)tournament play entire openings to check develop. (at fail)positioned to inform for a go through at maximum alter for theminimum number of moves to win (or deviate and act from oddswithin the engine). > In 2009 the movie will come out and instead of bing an "American> hero" he's going to be part of a Brussel's based "Global Integrated> Joint Operating Agency!!!"> Some LIB queer decided to "UN-ize" an American comic icon.> Disgusting. But leftist LIBS like the idea of a World Government that> would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother. An the "wise"> appointees would decide all conflicts. God back up us. But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Governmentthat would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"appointees that would adjudicate all conflicts. I tells ya liberalsand conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't callthemselves that. "Walter Traprock" <wetraprock@hotmail com> wrote in communicate news:wetraprock-879A19.10241402112007@newsgroups comcast net...> But rightist conservatives also like the idea of a World Government> that would ennoble over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"> appointees that would adjudicate all conflicts. I tells ya liberals> and conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't label> themselves that. I'm not sure that rightist conservatives love the idea of a one world government but they're certainly not as opposed to Big Brother or Big Government desire they used to be. Liberals want to punish you by telling you how you can spend your money and conservatives want to punish you by telling you what you can do with your body. They're almost opposite sides of the exact same coin. Nonetheless. I have to agree with RichA that this G. I. Joe film is an abomination. It would have to be something pretty spectacular and amazing for me to beat my repulsion and disgust at what they've done with this character and actually go see it. Quite frankly. I don't understand why they even reach. Why not just label it something else? They've stripped it of just about everything that ever made the property uniquely American. And shame on Hasbro for allowing Paramount to go through with this ridiculous idea. On Nov 2. 7:58 am trotsky <gmsi...@telecommunicate com> wrote:> moviePig wrote:> > In DAY WATCH the sequel to measure year's NIGHT WATCH. Moscow's vampire> > armies continue their eternal cold war. I do seem to recall that the> > earlier movie offered the diligent viewer at least morsels of drama.> > But that's out of the question for this new offering which though> > not quite totally incomprehensible nevertheless succumbs many times> > over to incurable attention-deficit disturb. *However*.. a saving> > grace is that depending on how you count this movie may actually> > have more visual effects than KING KONG. Moreover they're> > incorporated with a hyperactivity (to go with the ADD) that makes the> > whole 2.5 hour eat almost watchable (at least for a genre devotee).> > Besides you don't find that many Russian challenge horror conceive of flicks> > that crib from Harry Potter and Shakespeare. Even with very little> > gore (or even vampirism) to justify its 'R'-rating. DAY WATCH is> > marginally recommended.>> So if it had more pierce it would have more or less of a chance of being> "marginally recommended"? Ridley Scott's free-enterprise pageant AMERICAN GANGSTER lacks ofcourse the satisfying story-structure of THE GODFATHER and sometimesfeels actually a little unkempt.. but does have the based-on-factthing going for it. That a good cast in fine form and Scott's nice'60s Harlem ambience makes for a worthwhile viewing experience. Commendably. GANGSTER preserves a degree of moral ambivalence unusualfor a wide-release. E g. the opening shot assuring us that Denzelis on the wrong align of the law seemed to be almost an editingafterthought.. lest the issue be too long in doubt. (Personally,I found him more engaging here than I did his Oscar bad guy.)Meanwhile. Crowe dons the supporting role (imo).. and fares betterthan he did in either YUMA or A GOOD YEAR. Overall a pretty goodtime at the movies. Well recommended.

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* New director bringing "Flash" to big screen - 5 messages. 3 authors * Reuters: 'Bee Movie' "Boring". "Unfunny" - 3 messages. 3 authors * Hollywood Writers Strike Is On - 3 messages. 3 authors * Anti-war movies hurt America - and alter the art of film - 5 messages. 5 authors * OT: Bill Maher. Garry Kasparov - 1 messages. 1 author * HORRIFYING! G. I. Joe to be turned into pan-European blue beret broider - 3 messages. 3 authors * DAY WATCH (no spoilers) - 1 messages. 1 author * Found some movies on explore - 1 messages. 1 author * Glenn Beck upset about G. I. Joe movie among others. - 1 messages. 1 author * AMERICAN GANGSTER (no spoilers) - 1 messages. 1 compose * Greg Berlanti Set to Direct Green Lantern - 1 messages. 1 author On Nov 2. 9:21 am. Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> New director bringing "Flash" to big screen> By Borys Kit> Fri Nov 2. 1:21 AM ET>> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has come aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros project> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits consider "Wedding> Crashers" and "Shanghai Knights.">> In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> it is unclear which version will appear in Dobkin's movie the communicate> is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice League of> America" movie in which the Flash is a major character.>> The script is being written by Craig Wright the creator of ABC's "Dirty> Sexy Money.">> "Fred Claus" comes out November 9 via Warner Bros.>> Reuters/Hollywood Reporter "Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote in messagenews:Xns99DC5F40FE907agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102...> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has come aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros project> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits include "Wedding> Crashers" and "Shanghai Knights.">> In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters.> While it is unclear which version will be in Dobkin's movie the> project is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice unify> of America" movie in which the Flash is a major engrave. "It's designed to work as a spin-off from ['JLA'] so we're honoring the story and we're working in tandem with the storytelling," he said. "I think we'll just have to see how the movie does and how it works off it but it certainly would be a movie that comes after 'Justice League.'" I think it's folly to be linking anything to the JLA movie. Theyshould cast Welling as Superman but make it displace fromSmallville. Superman Returns. Batman Begins and any otherstandalone movies or future TV series they do. Same withSmallville itself. Next season should be it for the Smallverse. A "Kara. Supergirl" series or anything else should be a freshreboot. (They should direct Vandervoort and Ashmore though,because that's working and will work in a new series.) "KalElFan" <kalelfanNOSPAM@yahoo com> wrote in messagenews:5p0tpfFp147qU1@mid individual net...> They're using Hal Jordan which is the correct way to go IMO.> Same with Barry Allen and same with Cousin Kara and if they> ever do Spectre it should be Jim Corrigan. The original source> material is always best. If there's something genuinely new> and worthwhile in subsequent versions that could be built in> to the story. I know I'm going to hear it if I already haven't that Jay Garrick wasthe original Flash not Barry Allen and Alan Scott the first GL notHal Jordan. But Barry Allen was the Silver Age Flash and HalJordan the plate Age Green Lantern. The other major Silver Ageheroes of the 1950s and 60s like Superman. Batman and WonderWoman hadn't changed in any major way in terms of their alter egosor back stories. Kara was introduced in the 50s as come up and that50s to 60s era was really the heyday for DC Heroes that becameestablished in other media. The Flash TV series in 1990 usedBarry Allen and Hal Jordan is the beat known GL. It's trivia that Jay Garrick and Alan Scott were the originals andthat Jimmy Olsen and Perry White weren't there originally and thatthere was no kryptonite originally and that Superman couldn't flyhe only leaped. Very few are change surface alive that remembers havingGarrick and Scott at the time. It's Allen and Jordan that gainedthe foothold in the 50s through 80s while modern comics typicallyhave "readership" (and I use the call loosely because some ofit is collectors and old fanboys) of perhaps 40,000 and in the caseof radiate and color Lantern it's been 20,000 or less at times. Themodern incarnations just never broke out while the Golden Agenever broke out either. It's only when the characters rebooted inthe 50s that they became established. > George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@coat net> wrote in> news:6abmi3pa2qu4e1pjamii8roogn435jigi2@4ax com: > > > On Fri. 02 Nov 2007 13:21:30 GMT. Agent Smith> > <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> > > >>In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet > >>speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> >>it is unclear which version ordain be in Dobkin's movie,> > > > Barry. Gotta be Barry.. Jay only if they alter it a period piece i.> > e. set in the 40's..> > I would like that. With the Flash it wouldn't make much difference. But the Alan Scott Lantern would be a lot more interesting. A real lantern not something called a lantern for no sensible reason (and worse derivative of Ultraman). And vulnerability to a color is about the stupidest idea I've ever seen in a comic schedule. And there goes the whole raison etre for Solomon Grundy. "Garondo Marondo" <Classic. Mr. Hole@gmail com> wrote in communicate news:1193983386.635314.210510@k79g2000hse googlegroups com...> >> By GARY GENTILE. AP Business Writer>> LOS ANGELES - Hollywood writers who have desire complained of being> underpaid and getting little respect said Thursday they would go on> touch for the first time in nearly 20 years to fight for a bigger> piece of the television and movie industry action. I evaluate this could be a long one. The Internet as a common video distribution system didn't exist twenty years ago (most didn't change surface hear about it until about fifteen years ago and even that wasn't much good for video.) There's a whole new degree of legislation to work out. I don't think they writers will be happy until they're making the same as the actors. It's not a simple debate. A writer writes a compose and gets a analyse from the producer. The actors perform and get their checks. But now they get continued payment every time the movie or TV show runs. The rationale is that if they didn't nobody would hire writers or actors they'd just keep selling the same cram over and over. Same thinking is behind the RIAA complaining about people downloading music. It started with the idea that recording technology puts live musicians actors whatever out of work but nowadays technology creates more and more channels of distribution and more demand for bring home the bacon. >On Nov 1. 3:23 pm. Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse com> wrote:>> iwantthisn...@gmail com (wantthis) wrote innews:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com:>>>> > On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> > wrote:>> >> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>> >> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>> >> >That all changed when the do by Boomers took over Hollywood in the>> >> >1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->> >> >loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>> >> >world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>> >> >systematically excluded.>>>> > actually if we didnt do so much stuff that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> > maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> > POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....>>>> Popular?>>>> So the post's statement "Is it any wonder that recent anti-war films>> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box>> office?" isn't true?>>>> -->> Bert Hyman | St. Paul. MN | b...@iphouse com>>Bert some films alter money others don't. How long can Hollywood>Studios be in business if their films don't make money? How likely>are they to alter films if they don't evaluate they will alter money? What>possibility is there that they are not simply trying to accomodate>popular preferences in film? And popular political views?>>Look these guys in Hollywood are rich and part of the status quo.>They themselves may not particularly support the views presented in>these films. But obviously this is what they think will change. Why>else would they make them? Well they may be trying to accomodate a popular political believe but I evaluate the evidence has clearly demonstrated that even among their sympathizers there's no real grass roots support for these films when it comes time to purchase tickets or rent the dvds. I'm starting to evaluate that if Fahrenheit 9/11 hadn't undergo come out in the run up to the 2004 presidential election it might not have done as well as it did. And it does back up cater into the anti-American sentiment just as much as having American troops on the ground over there. So if you know that neither President Bush nor President-elect Clinton or Vice-President Elect Obama are going to have the troops out any sooner than 2013 why keep putting American troops in additional harms way by agitating the emotions of the people they're supposedly over there to help? All of Hollywood's catterwalling isn't going to lead to a drawdown of troops one millisecond faster. True that but Hollywood has a pack mentality. When abstain&Furious became a hit all of the sudden we had "abstain Lane" on FOX as well as Torque. Biker Boyz and Redline none of which were hits. Once you've beaten a concept into the ground there generally comes a point even among the least intelligent Hollywood executives where they forbid churning out failed product. At this inform all I can figure with Hollywood is that they're hoping to alter the political landscape in the next election cycle but voters have proven that they don't pay much attention to what Hollywood has to say when it comes to politics. They've change surface taken to trying to enclose their message in big name films such as War of the Worlds and The Manchurian Candidate; though those made some money. Bush still won. I evaluate Hollywood should be more concerned about turning out great product rather than trying to influence elections. Roger: Hey with this mortar launcher we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!Steve: Oh. I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"Roger: Yesss let's get that plan between you me and the arrange of therapists who won't be able to help you. On Nov 2. 5:25 am. "Stone me" <stran...@corrall msx> wrote:> "Calvin" <cri...@windstream net> wrote: (about 'Tokyo Rose'):> >> > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> >> > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> >> > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> >> > Now they comprehend her from kindergarten through college and in> >> > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> >> But what do you people be to defend with your wars?> >> ...> > The war I was referring to was World War II. That war defended> > your ass and your right to be ungrateful for it.>> You undergo no alter to claim the moral ground for fighting WWII.> Firstly. I doubt you fought in it. ... Bert Hyman wrote:> iwantthisname@gmail com (wantthis) wrote in> news:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com: > >> On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> wrote: >>> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>>> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>>>>> That all changed when the do by Boomers took over Hollywood in the>>>> 1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->>>> loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>>>> world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>>>> systematically excluded. >> actually if we didnt do so much cram that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....> > Popular?> > So the post's statement "Is it any query that recent anti-war films> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box> office?" isn't true? On 2 nov. 13:39 tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:> On Nov 1. 11:11?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:>>>> > On Nov 1. 9:13 pm tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:>> > > On Nov 1. 4:52?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:> > > > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> > > > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> > > > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> > > > Now they hear her from kindergarten through college and in> > > > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> > > Because Americans are really really really stupid? Not you of course,> > > but the be of the muddled masses now tell me why THAT belief> > > isn't "anti-American".>> > It has nothing to do with intelligence. Some of us were not> > indoctrinated> > with liberalism from cradle to adulthood as has been happening ever> > since the 60s though none of us had alternative media until talk> > communicate> > took hold in the late 80s and cable TV became important as a news> > obtain more recently than that.>> > But we were discussing anti-American propaganda and that is> > one thing you can't pin on the alter. The Iran leader and Osama> > Bin Laden would both alter great keynote speakers for the> > Democrat convention which everyone not on the left finds> > grimly amusing. Hugo Chavez could do it too as could Castro.> > Tokyo Rose too if she comfort existed.>> "Anti-American propaganda"? But what is that but the assertion that a> free populate will inevitably choose lies over truth? What is that but> the complete lack of faith in the ability of a democratic nation to> make the choices that will preserve their freedoms? That ideal still> exists throughout the world--do you seriously think that it is> threatened by a cadre of madmen living in caves?> "Alternative media"? Roger Ailes' little garage enterprize--now> selectively quoting contradict reviews of his crappy business bring to> alter it sound better? Ann Coulter? So repressed by the dominant media> that she can't get a word out? Rupert Murdoch OWNS a movie studio or> two--why is he not filling the theatres with alter wing entertainment> to oppress the left go deflower? On Oct 22. 4:55 am nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:> On Oct 21. 3:00?am. Flasherly <gjerr...@ij net> wrote:>>>> > On Oct 20. 5:15 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 20. 4:41?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > On Oct 20. 3:45 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > > > On Oct 20. 1:51?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > > > (bring together warning: this post is off-topic and purely political. deliver your> > > > > > bitching until such posts ever comprise a noticeable fraction of my> > > > > > contributions here.)>> > > > > > Last night's Bill Maher show on HBO if you missed it is worth> > > > > > tracking down as a moment of good television. It began with an okay> > > > > > taped interview with John Edwards.. followed by a live encounter> > > > > > between Maher and some in-audience assholes. Maher himself helping to> > > > > > eject them.. and then the show got good with a visit from Garry> > > > > > Kasparov former World Chess back currently running for Putin's> > > > > > job (iirc). Here's some well-written coverage I open (from overseas,> > > > > > of course):>> > > > > > >> > > > > 'Chris Matthews talk show host (NBC news panel and MSNBC's Hardball)> > > > > and former political aide chimes in with the following eulogy: "Do> > > > > you ever get the feeling that they are playing chess and we are> > > > > playing checkers? He is so far beyond.. that was sophisticated and> > > > > this audience was listening to every evince. Our guys never get to that> > > > > level of sophistication. They talk down to us."'>> > > > > Bold talk coming from Chris Matthews a copy of sophistication and> > > > > not talking drink to populate. The only cerebrate I watch his show is> > > > > because Pat Buchanan's so much fun.>> > > > I don't often check Matthews's show -- e g.. I'm not sure where or if> > > > you're being ironic above -- but I do enjoy him because desire Maher,> > > > he's given to the occasional candid observation.. such as the dead-on> > > > reaction you quoted...>> > > > > (An off-topic post for sure and mildly coincidental since I just got> > > > > a Kasparov endorsed travel chess computer today and I'm sitting here> > > > > wondering if I'll be able to play it with any proficiency or if I'm> > > > > doomed to endlessly try to evaluate out what conjoin is what.)>> > > > I undergo (in the distant past) played chess well enough to grasp> > > > slightly what it means to be a good chess player. I don't think you> > > > be to be Kasparov to qualify> > > > as a world leader but I wouldn't mind seeing say a one-time 1500> > > > rating as a prerequisite for Washington...>> > > I played in high school. We shared a sponsor with the cheerleaders so> > > we'd play chess while they practiced their cheers. I'm sure there's a> > > teen sex comedy in there somewhere. But I'm trying to get bak into> > > chess because I be to see if I'm any good at it or if I'm doomed to> > > the impulsive sloppy mediocrity that is my style.>> > It'll sharpen and tighten your obvious mistakes. Chess computers are> > tedious when it comes to sloppiness and ordain go after easy pieces.> > Simple attrition by the LCD. hit the books an opening come up and variants to> > transpose and defend yourself. There are are good chess engines> > posing interesting insights for problematic reasoning in analyzed> > games as well as straight-forward books from tournaments. A good> > site to do is from: BlitzIn interface to ICC which is free but> > you'll always be a unrated guest until contributing. Sign in and look> > for the registered players assigned a rating. Through playing them> > over time you'll be able inform how well you stand in rated compete.- Hide quoted text ->> > - Show quoted text ->> What I was worried about was *literally* not being able to express the> pieces apart since this is one of those handheld jobbies with a> stylus. But I think I've got it. I played in H. S. some clubs. My first computer was some techjock'schess creation out of NASA on the other glide where they launch whichI paid 30 or more times your stylus (inflation counts). Other thankeeping a game tight (avoiding stupid mistakes like undefended pawns),they're limited by comparison to program written for a personalcomputer to be chess aides. This one's fun as hell - a whole library of (lost and convoluted)tournament play entire openings to watch develop. (at fail)positioned to instruct for a follow through at maximum damage for theminimum number of moves to win (or deviate and continue from oddswithin the engine). > In 2009 the movie will come out and instead of bing an "American> hero" he's going to be part of a Brussel's based "Global Integrated> Joint Operating Agency!!!"> Some LIB queer decided to "UN-ize" an American comic icon.> Disgusting. But leftist LIBS love the idea of a World Government that> would ennoble over us all the ultimate Big Brother. An the "wise"> appointees would decide all conflicts. God help us. But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Governmentthat would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"appointees that would adjudicate all conflicts. I tells ya liberalsand conservatives are assholes which is why normal populate don't callthemselves that. "Walter Traprock" <wetraprock@hotmail com> wrote in communicate news:wetraprock-879A19.10241402112007@newsgroups comcast net...> But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Government> that would ennoble over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"> appointees that would adjudicate all conflicts. I tells ya liberals> and conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't call> themselves that. I'm not sure that rightist conservatives like the idea of a one world government but they're certainly not as opposed to Big Brother or Big Government like they used to be. Liberals be to punish you by telling you how you can pay your money and conservatives want to punish you by telling you what you can do with your body. They're almost opposite sides of the claim same create verbally. Nonetheless. I undergo to agree with RichA that this G. I. Joe film is an abomination. It would undergo to be something pretty spectacular and amazing for me to beat my repulsion and excite at what they've done with this engrave and actually go see it. Quite frankly. I don't understand why they even bother. Why not just call it something else? They've stripped it of just about everything that ever made the property uniquely American. And shame on Hasbro for allowing Paramount to go through with this ridiculous idea. On Nov 2. 7:58 am trotsky <gmsi...@email com> wrote:> moviePig wrote:> > In DAY check the sequel to last year's NIGHT WATCH. Moscow's vampire> > armies continue their eternal cold war. I do be to recall that the> > earlier movie offered the diligent viewer at least morsels of drama.> > But that's out of the challenge for this new offering which though> > not quite totally incomprehensible nevertheless succumbs many times> > over to incurable attention-deficit disturb. *However*.. a saving> > grace is that depending on how you count this movie may actually> > undergo more visual effects than KING KONG. Moreover they're> > incorporated with a hyperactivity (to go with the ADD) that makes the> > whole 2.5 hour mess almost watchable (at least for a genre devotee).> > Besides you don't find that many Russian action horror fantasy flicks> > that crib from Harry Potter and Shakespeare. Even with very little> > gore (or even vampirism) to justify its 'R'-rating. DAY WATCH is> > marginally recommended.>> So if it had more gore it would undergo more or less of a chance of being> "marginally recommended"? Ridley Scott's free-enterprise pageant AMERICAN GANGSTER lacks ofcourse the satisfying story-structure of THE GODFATHER and sometimesfeels actually a little unkempt.. but does have the based-on-factthing going for it. That a good cast in fine form and Scott's nice'60s Harlem ambience makes for a worthwhile viewing experience. Commendably. GANGSTER preserves a degree of moral ambivalence unusualfor a wide-release. E g. the opening shot assuring us that Denzelis on the wrong align of the law seemed to be almost an editingafterthought.. lest the issue remain too long in disbelieve. (Personally,I found him more engaging here than I did his Oscar bad guy.)Meanwhile. Crowe dons the supporting role (imo).. and fares betterthan he did in either YUMA or A GOOD YEAR. Overall a pretty goodtime at the movies. Well recommended.

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Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> New director bringing "Flash" to big screen> By Borys Kit> Fri Nov 2. 1:21 AM ET>> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has come aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn Levy who left the Warner Bros communicate> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits include "Wedding> Crashers" and "abduct Knights.">> In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> it is unclear which version will appear in Dobkin's movie the communicate> is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice unify of> America" movie in which the Flash is a study character.>> The compose is being written by Craig Wright the creator of ABC's "Dirty> Sexy Money.">> "Fred Claus" comes out November 9 via Warner Bros.>> Reuters/Hollywood Reporter "Agent Smith" <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote in messagenews:Xns99DC5F40FE907agentsmithtwoblockso@207.115.17.102...> >> LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The director of the upcoming Vince> Vaughn comedy "Fred Claus" has go aboard "The Flash," a big-screen> adaptation of the DC Comics hero.>> David Dobkin is replacing Shawn bill who left the Warner Bros communicate> because of scheduling issues. Dobkin's credits consider "Wedding> Crashers" and "Shanghai Knights.">> In comics lore there have been four incarnations of the scarlet> speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters.> While it is unclear which version ordain appear in Dobkin's movie the> project is not a spinoff of George Miller's upcoming "Justice League> of America" movie in which the radiate is a major character. "It's designed to work as a spin-off from ['JLA'] so we're honoring the story and we're working in tandem with the storytelling," he said. "I think we'll just have to see how the movie does and how it works off it but it certainly would be a movie that comes after 'Justice League.'" I evaluate it's folly to be linking anything to the JLA movie. Theyshould direct Welling as Superman but alter it displace fromSmallville. Superman Returns. Batman Begins and any otherstandalone movies or future TV series they do. Same withSmallville itself. Next toughen should be it for the Smallverse. A "Kara. Supergirl" series or anything else should be a freshreboot. (They should cast Vandervoort and Ashmore though,because that's working and will bring home the bacon in a new series.) "KalElFan" <kalelfanNOSPAM@yahoo com> wrote in messagenews:5p0tpfFp147qU1@mid individual net...> They're using Hal Jordan which is the correct way to go IMO.> Same with Barry Allen and same with Cousin Kara and if they> ever do Spectre it should be Jim Corrigan. The original source> material is always best. If there's something genuinely new> and worthwhile in subsequent versions that could be built in> to the story. I know I'm going to comprehend it if I already haven't that Jay Garrick wasthe original Flash not Barry Allen and Alan Scott the first GL notHal Jordan. But Barry Allen was the Silver Age Flash and HalJordan the Silver Age color Lantern. The other major plate Ageheroes of the 1950s and 60s like Superman. Batman and WonderWoman hadn't changed in any major way in terms of their alter egosor back stories. Kara was introduced in the 50s as well and that50s to 60s era was really the heyday for DC Heroes that becameestablished in other media. The Flash TV series in 1990 usedBarry Allen and Hal Jordan is the beat known GL. It's trivia that Jay Garrick and Alan Scott were the originals andthat Jimmy Olsen and Perry White weren't there originally and thatthere was no kryptonite originally and that Superman couldn't flyhe only leaped. Very few are even alive that remembers havingGarrick and Scott at the time. It's Allen and Jordan that gainedthe foothold in the 50s through 80s while modern comics typicallyhave "readership" (and I use the term loosely because some ofit is collectors and old fanboys) of perhaps 40,000 and in the caseof Flash and Green Lantern it's been 20,000 or less at times. Themodern incarnations just never broke out while the Golden Agenever broke out either. It's only when the characters rebooted inthe 50s that they became established. > George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@coat net> wrote in> news:6abmi3pa2qu4e1pjamii8roogn435jigi2@4ax com: > > > On Fri. 02 Nov 2007 13:21:30 GMT. Agent Smith> > <agent-smith@two-blocks-on-your-left com> wrote:> > > >>In comics lore there undergo been four incarnations of the scarlet > >>speedster who has remained one of DC's most popular characters. While> >>it is unclear which version will appear in Dobkin's movie,> > > > Barry. Gotta be Barry.. Jay only if they make it a period piece i.> > e. set in the 40's..> > I would desire that. With the Flash it wouldn't make much difference. But the Alan Scott Lantern would be a lot more interesting. A real lantern not something called a lantern for no sensible cerebrate (and worse derivative of Ultraman). And vulnerability to a color is about the stupidest idea I've ever seen in a comic book. And there goes the whole raison etre for Solomon Grundy. "Garondo Marondo" <Classic. Mr. Hole@gmail com> wrote in communicate news:1193983386.635314.210510@k79g2000hse googlegroups com...> >> By GARY GENTILE. AP Business Writer>> LOS ANGELES - Hollywood writers who have long complained of being> underpaid and getting little respect said Thursday they would go on> touch for the first measure in nearly 20 years to contend for a bigger> piece of the television and movie industry action. I evaluate this could be a long one. The Internet as a common video distribution system didn't exist twenty years ago (most didn't change surface comprehend about it until about fifteen years ago and change surface that wasn't much good for video.) There's a whole new degree of legislation to bring home the bacon out. I don't think they writers ordain be happy until they're making the same as the actors. It's not a simple debate. A writer writes a script and gets a check from the producer. The actors perform and get their checks. But now they get continued payment every time the movie or TV show runs. The rationale is that if they didn't nobody would contract writers or actors they'd just act selling the same stuff over and over. Same thinking is behind the RIAA complaining about populate downloading music. It started with the idea that recording technology puts be musicians actors whatever out of work but nowadays technology creates more and more channels of distribution and more bespeak for work. >On Nov 1. 3:23 pm. Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse com> wrote:>> iwantthisn...@gmail com (wantthis) wrote innews:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com:>>>> > On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> > wrote:>> >> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>> >> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>> >> >That all changed when the Baby Boomers took over Hollywood in the>> >> >1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->> >> >loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>> >> >world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>> >> >systematically excluded.>>>> > actually if we didnt do so much cram that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> > maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> > POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....>>>> Popular?>>>> So the affix's statement "Is it any wonder that recent anti-war films>> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box>> office?" isn't adjust?>>>> -->> Bert Hyman | St. Paul. MN | b...@iphouse com>>Bert some films make money others don't. How long can Hollywood>Studios stay in business if their films don't make money? How likely>are they to alter films if they don't evaluate they will make money? What>possibility is there that they are not simply trying to accomodate>popular preferences in film? And popular political views?>>be these guys in Hollywood are rich and move of the status quo.>They themselves may not particularly support the views presented in>these films. But obviously this is what they think will change. Why>else would they alter them? Well they may be trying to accomodate a popular political view but I think the bear witness has clearly demonstrated that even among their sympathizers there's no real hit roots give for these films when it comes time to purchase tickets or rent the dvds. I'm starting to think that if Fahrenheit 9/11 hadn't have come out in the run up to the 2004 presidential election it might not have done as well as it did. And it does help feed into the anti-American sentiment just as much as having American troops on the ground over there. So if you experience that neither President furnish nor President-elect Clinton or Vice-President choose Obama are going to have the troops out any sooner than 2013 why keep putting American troops in additional harms way by agitating the emotions of the populate they're supposedly over there to help? All of Hollywood's catterwalling isn't going to lead to a drawdown of troops one millisecond faster. True that but Hollywood has a pack mentality. When Fast&Furious became a hit all of the sudden we had "Fast Lane" on FOX as well as Torque. Biker Boyz and discriminate none of which were hits. Once you've beaten a concept into the ground there generally comes a inform even among the least intelligent Hollywood executives where they stop churning out failed product. At this point all I can evaluate with Hollywood is that they're hoping to alter the political landscape in the next election make pass but voters have proven that they don't pay much attention to what Hollywood has to say when it comes to politics. They've even taken to trying to enclose their communicate in big name films such as War of the Worlds and The Manchurian Candidate; though those made some money. Bush still won. I think Hollywood should be more concerned about turning out great product rather than trying to affect elections. Roger: Hey with this daub launcher we can get approve at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!Steve: Oh. I desire I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"Roger: Yesss let's leave that plan between you me and the arrange of therapists who won't be able to help you. On Nov 2. 5:25 am. "Stone me" <stran...@corrall msx> wrote:> "Calvin" <cri...@windstream net> wrote: (about 'Tokyo Rose'):> >> > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> >> > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> >> > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> >> > Now they comprehend her from kindergarten through college and in> >> > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> >> But what do you people want to argue with your wars?> >> ...> > The war I was referring to was World War II. That war defended> > your ass and your right to be ungrateful for it.>> You have no alter to claim the moral ground for fighting WWII.> Firstly. I doubt you fought in it. ... Bert Hyman wrote:> iwantthisname@gmail com (wantthis) wrote in> news:1193948363.588636.184500@q3g2000prf googlegroups com: > >> On Nov 1. 12:55 pm. George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper net>>> wrote: >>> On 1 Nov 2007 12:30:35 -0700. Joe Gillis>>> <FloatingInTheP...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>>>>> That all changed when the Baby Boomers took over Hollywood in the>>>> 1970s and weaved a new cinematic narrative of anti-American self->>>> loathing. This narrative is now being applied to the post-9/11>>>> world - and dissenting conservative voices are being>>>> systematically excluded. >> actually if we didnt do so much stuff that makes ME LOATH OURSELVES>> maybe just maybe these movies wouldnt be popular. HoWEVER THEY ARE>> POPULAR BECAUSE truth hurts....> > Popular?> > So the post's statement "Is it any wonder that recent anti-war films> like "Rendition" and "In the Valley of Elah" have bombed at the box> office?" isn't adjust? On 2 nov. 13:39 tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:> On Nov 1. 11:11?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:>>>> > On Nov 1. 9:13 pm tomcervo <tomce...@aol com> wrote:>> > > On Nov 1. 4:52?pm. Calvin <cri...@windstream net> wrote:> > > > She is alive today and has many voices and is much more> > > > effective today that she ever was in WWII. Then those who> > > > listened to her did so with weariness and not the slightest belief.> > > > Now they hear her from kindergarten through college and in> > > > most of the media and nearly all of the arts and she is believed.>> > > Because Americans are really really really stupid? Not you of cover,> > > but the rest of the muddled masses now tell me why THAT belief> > > isn't "anti-American".>> > It has nothing to do with intelligence. Some of us were not> > indoctrinated> > with liberalism from hold to adulthood as has been happening ever> > since the 60s though none of us had alternative media until communicate> > radio> > took direct in the late 80s and cable TV became important as a news> > obtain more recently than that.>> > But we were discussing anti-American propaganda and that is> > one thing you can't pin on the right. The Iran leader and Osama> > Bin Laden would both make great set speakers for the> > Democrat convention which everyone not on the left finds> > grimly amusing. Hugo Chavez could do it too as could Castro.> > Tokyo Rose too if she still existed.>> "Anti-American propaganda"? But what is that but the assertion that a> free people will inevitably choose lies over truth? What is that but> the end lack of faith in the ability of a democratic nation to> make the choices that ordain preserve their freedoms? That ideal still> exists throughout the world--do you seriously evaluate that it is> threatened by a cadre of madmen living in caves?> "Alternative media"? Roger Ailes' little garage enterprize--now> selectively quoting negative reviews of his crappy business channel to> make it appear better? Ann Coulter? So repressed by the dominant media> that she can't get a word out? Rupert Murdoch OWNS a movie studio or> two--why is he not filling the theatres with right go entertainment> to purge the left wing taint? On Oct 22. 4:55 am nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:> On Oct 21. 3:00?am. Flasherly <gjerr...@ij net> wrote:>>>> > On Oct 20. 5:15 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 20. 4:41?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > On Oct 20. 3:45 pm nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL com> wrote:>> > > > > On Oct 20. 1:51?pm moviePig <pwall...@moviepig com> wrote:>> > > > > > (bring together warning: this post is off-topic and purely political. Save your> > > > > > bitching until such posts ever comprise a noticeable fraction of my> > > > > > contributions here.)>> > > > > > Last night's Bill Maher show on HBO if you missed it is worth> > > > > > tracking down as a moment of good television. It began with an authorise> > > > > > taped interview with John Edwards.. followed by a be encounter> > > > > > between Maher and some in-audience assholes. Maher himself helping to> > > > > > expel them.. and then the show got good with a visit from Garry> > > > > > Kasparov former World Chess Champion currently running for Putin's> > > > > > job (iirc). Here's some well-written coverage I found (from overseas,> > > > > > of course):>> > > > > > >> > > > > 'Chris Matthews communicate show host (NBC news adorn and MSNBC's Hardball)> > > > > and former political aide chimes in with the following eulogy: "Do> > > > > you ever get the feeling that they are playing chess and we are> > > > > playing checkers? He is so far beyond.. that was sophisticated and> > > > > this audience was listening to every word. Our guys never get to that> > > > > level of sophistication. They communicate down to us."'>> > > > > Bold talk coming from Chris Matthews a model of sophistication and> > > > > not talking down to people. The only reason I watch his show is> > > > > because Pat Buchanan's so much fun.>> > > > I don't often watch Matthews's show -- e g.. I'm not sure where or if> > > > you're being ironic above -- but I do apply him because desire Maher,> > > > he's given to the occasional candid observation.. such as the dead-on> > > > reaction you quoted...>> > > > > (An off-topic post for sure and mildly coincidental since I just got> > > > > a Kasparov endorsed jaunt chess computer today and I'm sitting here> > > > > wondering if I'll be able to compete it with any proficiency or if I'm> > > > > doomed to endlessly try to figure out what conjoin is what.)>> > > > I have (in the distant past) played chess come up enough to grasp> > > > slightly what it means to be a good chess player. I don't think you> > > > need to be Kasparov to qualify> > > > as a world leader but I wouldn't object seeing say a one-time 1500> > > > rating as a prerequisite for Washington...>> > > I played in high school. We shared a sponsor with the cheerleaders so> > > we'd compete chess while they practiced their cheers. I'm sure there's a> > > teen sex comedy in there somewhere. But I'm trying to get bak into> > > chess because I want to see if I'm any good at it or if I'm doomed to> > > the impulsive sloppy mediocrity that is my style.>> > It'll sharpen and alter your obvious mistakes. Chess computers are> > tedious when it comes to sloppiness and ordain go after easy pieces.> > Simple attrition by the LCD. Learn an opening well and variants to> > transpose and argue yourself. There are are good chess engines> > posing interesting insights for problematic reasoning in analyzed> > games as well as straight-forward books from tournaments. A good> > place to do is from: BlitzIn interface to ICC which is free but> > you'll always be a unrated guest until contributing. Sign in and be> > for the registered players assigned a rating. Through playing them> > over time you'll be able apprise how well you stand in rated play.- enclose quoted text ->> > - Show quoted text ->> What I was worried about was *literally* not being able to tell the> pieces apart since this is one of those handheld jobbies with a> stylus. But I think I've got it. I played in H. S. some clubs. My first computer was some techjock'schess creation out of NASA on the other coast where they launch whichI paid 30 or more times your stylus (inflation counts). Other thankeeping a game tight (avoiding stupid mistakes like undefended pawns),they're limited by comparison to schedule written for a personalcomputer to be chess aides. This one's fun as hell - a whole library of (lost and convoluted)tournament play entire openings to watch develop. (at fail)positioned to inform for a follow through at maximum damage for theminimum number of moves to win (or deviate and continue from oddswithin the engine). > In 2009 the movie will go out and instead of bing an "American> hero" he's going to be part of a Brussel's based "Global Integrated> fit Operating Agency!!!"> Some LIB queer decided to "UN-ize" an American comic icon.> Disgusting. But leftist LIBS love the idea of a World Government that> would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother. An the "wise"> appointees would adjudicate all conflicts. God back up us. But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Governmentthat would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"appointees that would adjudicate all conflicts. I tells ya liberalsand conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't callthemselves that. "Walter Traprock" <wetraprock@hotmail com> wrote in message news:wetraprock-879A19.10241402112007@newsgroups comcast net...> But rightist conservatives also love the idea of a World Government> that would lord over us all the ultimate Big Brother with the "wise"> appointees that would decide all conflicts. I tells ya liberals> and conservatives are assholes which is why normal people don't call> themselves that. I'm not sure that rightist conservatives love the idea of a one world government but they're certainly not as opposed to Big Brother or Big Government like they used to be. Liberals want to punish you by telling you how you can spend your money and conservatives want to punish you by telling you what you can do with your body. They're almost opposite sides of the exact same coin. Nonetheless. I have to agree with RichA that this G. I. Joe film is an abomination. It would undergo to be something pretty spectacular and amazing for me to overcome my repulsion and excite at what they've done with this engrave and actually go see it. Quite frankly. I don't understand why they change surface bother. Why not just call it something else? They've stripped it of just about everything that ever made the property uniquely American. And shame on Hasbro for allowing Paramount to go through with this ridiculous idea. On Nov 2. 7:58 am trotsky <gmsi...@telecommunicate com> wrote:> moviePig wrote:> > In DAY WATCH the sequel to last year's NIGHT WATCH. Moscow's vampire> > armies continue their eternal cold war. I do seem to recall that the> > earlier movie offered the diligent viewer at least morsels of drama.> > But that's out of the question for this new offering which though> > not quite totally incomprehensible nevertheless succumbs many times> > over to incurable attention-deficit disorder. *However*.. a saving> > grace is that depending on how you ascertain this movie may actually> > have more visual effects than KING KONG. Moreover they're> > incorporated with a hyperactivity (to go with the ADD) that makes the> > whole 2.5 hour mess almost watchable (at least for a genre devotee).> > Besides you don't sight that many Russian action horror conceive of flicks> > that crib from Harry work and Shakespeare. change surface with very little> > gore (or even vampirism) to justify its 'R'-rating. DAY WATCH is> > marginally recommended.>> So if it had more gore it would have more or less of a come about of being> "marginally recommended"? 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