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"Gmail delievers a knockout punch: IMAP changes the "freemail" game" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-07-01 07:20:08

explore has sweetened its e-mail offerings by rolling out IMAP capabilities in all Gmail accounts and for remove. While casual users may not look twice the addition makes Google's software-as-a-service much more attractive to businesses looking for easy telecommunicate solutions. "We're currently finding the iPhone support to be excellent (over WiFi)."How does one go about setting up IMAP gmail on their iPhone?Edit: Oh the 'other' option. I see it now. convey you explore!!!I tried Gmail on my iPhone and after 2 hours of trying to alter out all of the archived messages (for some reason the iPhone POP client sees them change surface though my desktop client doesn't). I gave up and forwarded all my Gmail to my other IMAP account. Now I can finally go back to using Gmail as my primary address! In addition you understand and accept that the function is provided on an AS IS and AS AVAILABLE basis. explore disclaims all responsibility and liability for the availability timeliness security or reliability of the function. Google also reserves the right to modify suspend or discontinue the function with or without notice at any time and without any liability to you. Also note the title of the first link in related articles: "Gmail users report vanishing telecommunicate" There's nothing about IMAP that makes it inherently slow. A well-tuned client that makes proper use of caching pipelining and partial communicate downloads can be quite responsive even over decrease links. It's too bad that good IMAP implementations are few and far between. The LEMONADE extensions to IMAP (which explore does not [yet?] support) further improve the efficiency of handheld clients. explore does however support the IDLE extension which makes displace email possible. All my @gmail/googlemail accounts have IMAP but none of my Google Apps for Your Domain domains have it yet.. which is annoying since those are the ones my blackberry actually uses. While IMAP might be nice. Gmail blocks too many of my attachments to make it of any use. Unless they dress it. You can't send passworded zip files. That contain passworded zip files. I'd be curious to learn how imap on google's servers work with their label concept. Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't use gmail because of previously lacking imap give) but aren't labels basically tags? I remember being confused by not having folders to sort my messages in. If anyone could mention or inform to me how this works I would acknowledge it. I'll gladly move my domain over to gmail if it fits my needs. I remain hopeful that this ordain be the case but Yahoo and Hotmail didn't seem to be too bothered that Gmail had POP access already. If they didn't bother with POP why bother with IMAP especially if it's a resource hog if you're not careful?Yahoo and Hotmail are obviously satisfied with their ignorant clientele. I am not sure I understand what is the big deal. I am using Outlook with hotmail (and Outlook Express on other machines) and never had any air with synching. I can work offline using the Outlook client web lay aside and when I undergo a connection it will synch the changes. Can someone clarify how the IMAP support is going to make this exceed? IMAP also encourages users to store messages on the server over the long term—something that POP users do as well but perhaps not as often or in such high volume and certainly not in remote folders. IMAP access is thus enabling another way to get at the massive storage capacity offered by Gmail. It's also another way for explore to analyse your email and more accurately target ads for you. While Yahoo and Hotmail,have more or less caught up with Google when it comes to offering mass amounts of storage capacity the addition of IMAP to Gmail will make a big difference in free e-mail services in the future—it likely won't be long before we see IMAP capabilities added to Yahoo and Hotmail and perhaps change surface a smattering of smaller telecommunicate services vying for attention. I don't think that hotmail ordain be in a rush to add it you've already got similar give in outlook oe and live mail beta (or whatever it's called.) Yahoo might evaluate about it but it'll probably be a pay-for feature in the US just like pop access is (I think hotmail also rush for pop access.) You can get around this by creating a mail account from yahoo co uk though which can recevie mail sent to @yahoo com. gratify elaborate. My goal is to get free pop or imap access to my yahoo mail account (I already use ypops and yosucker but that's flaky). If I alter a yahoo co uk account. I can send my yahoo com account stuff to it or do I send to [new_account]@yahoo com and it goes to my new yahoo co uk be? If option 2 does that mean I can't keep my same yahoo com username? If so. I might as well switch to gmail. Originally posted by AmirHawk:I am not sure I understand what is the big deal. I am using Outlook with hotmail (and Outlook Express on other machines) and never had any air with synching. I haven't used the Hotmail plug-in for Outlook (or OE) so I don't experience what that enables but IMAP notably offers synchronized folders and message status in addition to POP's basic download-new-messages-and-send-queued-mail "synchronization". Originally posted by Satan Himself:Anyone experience how to archive messages through IMAP? I don't be to trash/remove forever.. just want to collect. Google's little back up page is mum on the topic. (Psst. If you don't see the "IMAP" in the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab then check back soon. We are giving it to users as fast as we can). For example. I can:read an email in Gmail thenmove it to the "Starred" folder on my iPhone thenarchive it by moving it to "All Mail" in Thunderbird thensee all of those changes on my berry (or any of the above devices for that matter). Originally posted by Satan Himself:Anyone know how to archive messages through IMAP? I don't be to trash/delete forever.. just want to archive. explore's little help page is mum on the topic. It automatically archives them rather than deletes them. Anyone else notice their storage going up? I'm at over 4 gigabytes. Maybe I missed an article about that happening a while back but if I didn't well... Originally posted by AmirHawk:I am not sure I understand what is the big deal. I am using Outlook with hotmail (and Outlook Express on other machines) and never had any air with synching. I can bring home the bacon offline using the Outlook client web lay aside and when I undergo a connection it will synch the changes. Can someone clarify how the IMAP support is going to make this better? IMAP is not so helpful for your situation. For other people though it is very helpful. Take my situation: I use GMail. I use the web client. Apple send and my iPhone. Because GMail used POP access messages were downloaded to whatever device I check my email with at that measure. So that means that my emails are spread randomly across the web client my mac at home and my iphone. Its hard to keep bring in of where emails are and not all of my emails are always available to me. Now that GMail is IMAP the messages will be synced on the GMail server so they ordain all be available on whatever device I use to analyse my telecommunicate. Does it make a little more sense why people are excited about IMAP? Wouldn't people who use POP be more likely to have a lot of e-mails stored on Google's servers?I currently have Outlook clutch my e-mails and while I delete them locally. I don't go to gmail to delete them there. I chose to act the copy of the e-mail on their server so I don't have to keep anything saved locally. Last measure I checked I had about 500 e-mails sitting unread in the inbox there and absolutely no desire to alter it up. Now with IMAP I may do that. Of course I'd still be an easy way to archive e-mails on gmail but delete them locally... Originally posted by Crossed Reality:Anyone else notice their storage going up? I'm at over 4 gigabytes. Maybe I missed an bind about that happening a while approve but if I didn't come up... What I'd like to see more than IMAP Server give (although this is very alter) is IMAP Client support. That is the ability to download mail over IMAP and stay in sync.. put a mail in a folder it moves on the IMAP server. Delete it from GMail it gets deleted from the IMAP server etc. I can see why this is hard to do but I'd still find it enormously useful. Are the messages still threaded so strangely? I tried using GMail-s POP give but dropped it for the webmail interface simply because the way GMail stores and threads messages works wonderfully for their webmail interface but was a nightmare to navigate through a send client. For example every message that was sent immedaitely went into the "received" folder in request to act replies linked to the orignial message. I'm a big IMAP fan and I spend a lot of my mutt hacking time doing IMAP work so I think this is pretty exciting. But I'm worried about this information (posted on the imap protocol list): * \Answered and \Recent flags on messages. * Folder subscriptions. All folders are always in the 'Subscribed' list. * Substring examine. All searches are assumed to be words. * Searching arbitrary headers. Only some headers are available for searches: From/CC/BCC/To/Subject. The subscription handling lack of \Answered flag and busted search (especially busted search!) have dissuaded me from moving my own mail off of cyrus. I get them the same way I do with my ISP's e-mail account.. no threaded e-mails with POP. On a semi-related note: Is there something like IMAP for explore schedule? Something that'd let me make changes on the desktop (using Outlook 2007) and it'd automatically update it on explore calendar & the iPhone? (and changes made on the iPhone would be reflected on the desktop - you get the picture) Now that would be awesome. IMAP e-mail is only so-so news.. ever since I open the FireGPG extension for Firefox. I haven't had any be at all for a mail client software. Originally posted by chong:I'd be curious to learn how imap on google's servers work with their label concept. Correct me if I'm do by (I don't use gmail because of previously lacking imap support) but aren't labels basically tags? I remember being confused by not having folders to sort my messages in. If anyone could comment or explain to me how this works I would appreciate it. I'll gladly act my domain over to gmail if it fits my needs. It sounds like their implementation translates labels to folders and vice-versa. So all the labels you see in gmail will show up as folders in your IMAP client and each folder will undergo a write of the send that is tagged with that denominate. Similarly if you act or copy a message into a folder in your IMAP client gmail will apply that label. It seems like a pretty elegant solution to me. Originally posted by Satan Himself:Anyone experience how to archive messages through IMAP? I don't want to trash/delete forever.. just want to archive. Google's little help page is mum on the topic. From my reading of it it sounds like you just move the message into the "All Mail" folder. This might even come about automatically such that all you be to do is delete the communicate from your Inbox. I wasn't quite alter on that though. Um I evaluate it was. With Yahoo you were able to POP other telecommunicate addresses. So Yahoo was at one inform in time a web based e-mail client. Before all the study ISP's brought in their own web based e-mail clients. Originally posted by Soriak:Wouldn't people who use POP be more likely to have a lot of e-mails stored on Google's servers?I currently have Outlook grab my e-mails and while I delete them locally. I don't go to gmail to delete them there. I chose to keep the copy of the e-mail on their server so I don't have to keep anything saved locally. Last time I checked I had about 500 e-mails sitting unread in the inbox there and absolutely no wish to alter it up. Now with IMAP I may do that. Of cover I'd comfort be an easy way to archive e-mails on gmail but delete them locally... There's an option that does exactly that. I have a translated version of the page so it may not be exactly like this in english. On your settings summon in the section about POP download check out item no. 2. An option there is something like:When messages are accesed using POP [archive a copy of received messages in Gmail]. Probably not a good translation but it's the closest i can get. Originally posted by Rolphus:What I'd like to see more than IMAP Server give (although this is very cool) is IMAP Client support. That is the ability to transfer send over IMAP and be in sync.. put a mail in a folder it moves on the IMAP server. remove it from GMail it gets deleted from the IMAP server etc. Um unless I'm somehow misunderstanding you that's exactly what this is. The whole point of IMAP is that -- unlike with POP -- changes in message status deletions moves etc actually happen on the server not the client; the client simply reflects the current state of the server. Is there really some distinction between "IMAP Server support" and "IMAP Client support" as you declare? You can't access an IMAP server without an IMAP client and what explore has done here is give an IMAP interface to the server which your IMAP client can find.

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"Gmail delievers a knockout punch: IMAP changes the "freemail" game" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 21:46:08

Originally posted by Rolphus:What I'd like to see more than IMAP Server support (although this is very alter) is IMAP Client support. That is the ability to download send over IMAP and stay in sync.. put a mail in a folder it moves on the IMAP server. Delete it from GMail it gets deleted from the IMAP server etc. Um unless I'm somehow misunderstanding you that's exactly what this is. The whole inform of IMAP is that -- unlike with POP -- changes in communicate status deletions moves etc actually happen on the server not the client; the client simply reflects the current state of the server. Is there really some distinction between "IMAP Server support" and "IMAP Client give" as you declare? You can't find an IMAP server without an IMAP client and what Google has done here is provide an IMAP interface to the server which your IMAP client can access. Sorry godawful explanation by me. I have an IMAP be and as I've had this address for a long measure. I don't want to suffer it. I sometimes access this account directly but I'd much rather access it through GMail. I'm a paranoid sod so I don't want to act all my mail to GMail. I be the send in said account to be accessible through GMail but not actually reside there permanently or be removed from its original server. I can obviously achieve this through POP by not deleting messages from the server. Problem is. I get a lot of e-mail and really would like that to get deleted when I remove it. My solution to that would be to allow GMail itself (as in the GMail server) to become an IMAP client of my IMAP server and allow me to act upon my mail remove it etc within the GMail environment (through IMAP or POP3 potentially but most likely through the web page). Does that make any comprehend to anyone else? Probably not... @Rolphus (don't want to quote because it'd be more ingeminate than new text):It appears that essentially you'd like to be GMail your IMAP client to your other IMAP be and maybe even your local IMAP client being an IMAP client to explore being IMAP client and server at the same measure. While I don't evaluate that's technically impossible (although you'd undergo twice the IMAP delay at every access). I'd say it can't be done now and I wouldn't hold my breath because most probably it will never be implemented. It's a VERY (and I mean it) special scenario that doesn't really make any sense APART from you preferring explore's web interface over your other provider's interface. Nothing explore would care about I guess. displace send: Do you think explore with Gmail or Apple with mac has the ability to give push mail comparable to berry in the future? I have the iPhone but this seems like a necessary feature to compete.. I haven't seen the new native facebook for rimm but it is suppose to incorporate displace features into the interface.. I'm sure a native iPhone version will blow it away especially if displace give is included A different topic to which I never got a reply at Google's GMail forums:Is there a way to include the beat mail header in all reply mails? It appears that Gmail does include the beat header (ie CC addresses sending measure) when you forward the telecommunicate but NOT if you only reply. Problem appears as soon as you consider someone else in your conversation as he cannot find out any more when the quoted e-mails undergo been sent and to whom. That's very annoying in particular in business environments but even in private send exchange. Philotech: You're absolutely right. It's a fairly nuts usage model. A far far simpler solution would be to implement "act on server" as one checkbox and "delete from server on remove from GMail" as another in the POP settings. If it had that. I'd be happy. This all stems from the fact that at home on my Powerbook. IMAP is great but at work I don't be to be running extra apps. For googlers watching this thread. I pointed my client at my be for IMAP and had it all setup and it was working great!Oh yeah.. I had forgotten to alter IMAP in my account though.(??)Might want to act an eye on that - I can't explain it but it was working fine without it being turned on in my be. Also - anyone know how to map folders in Thunderbird 2.0? My sent messages go up sitting in my inbox in the web client with a tag of /sent attached to them. Goofy. FoO I'll stick with my FastMail for now and see how it goes. To those questioning why this is a big deal I am perfectly happy to pay a company something like 25 USD a year for this function (not including my own domain name I pay for separately). This is Free. Now if they add Sieve give then it gets interesting... Originally posted by Soriak:Wouldn't people who use POP be more likely to have a lot of e-mails stored on Google's servers?I currently have Outlook grab my e-mails and while I delete them locally. I don't go to gmail to remove them there. I chose to keep the copy of the e-mail on their server so I don't undergo to keep anything saved locally. Last time I checked I had about 500 e-mails sitting unread in the inbox there and absolutely no desire to alter it up. Now with IMAP I may do that. Of course I'd still need an easy way to archive e-mails on gmail but remove them locally... I'm in a similar situation though I'm using thunderbird. Because I dual kick (win/linux). I had to set up a small fat partition for gmail storage so I am not downloading stored messages twice if im in the other OS. All my other telecommunicate account are IMAP so gmail is the only cerebrate do it. My real question is because I do not clean up my webmail storage - Is there any easy way to convert a local POP account to IMAP so I don't undergo to set the folders up again. Whoohoo! Ever since the email provider I was paying to undergo an IMAP send account folded around two years ago. I had been deprive of IMAP goodness. I'm a believer now! Originally posted by Crossed Reality:Anyone else notice their storage going up? I'm at over 4 gigabytes. Maybe I missed an article about that happening a while back but if I didn't well... You are currently using 9 MB (0%) of your 4358 MB. Imap access is really nice. I'm glad to see they require encryption by default. Originally posted by AmirHawk:I am not sure I understand what is the big deal. I am using Outlook with hotmail (and Outlook Express on other machines) and never had any issue with synching. I can bring home the bacon offline using the Outlook client web lay aside and when I undergo a connection it will synch the changes. Can someone clarify how the IMAP support is going to make this exceed? Microsoft uses a proprietary protocol (HTTP) for Hotmail in conjunction with a Microsoft Mail Client desire Outlook or Windows Live Mail. I don't know the whole specification of this protocol but it offers IMAP features like synchronizing folders (which is pretty fast compared to my fastmail account). But you will lose this feature if you switch to a non Microsoft Mail Client. It's certainly better than my company's telecommunicate policy which was:"We will provide you with an telecommunicate account that may or may not work most of the measure. We won't save drafts as you type so if it crashes mid-message sorry. Also we won't undergo a search feature that works correctly. Oh and examine may also lock up telecommunicate which as stated might cause you to suffer the email you were just typing"I had to use hotmail for a WEEK back in the day before I got moved over to a better server. This was with Lotus Notes at a big company not some small little one with no server staff either.

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"clean_boxers-23878.mp3" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-09 22:26:31

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"Context deletion on redeploy" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-03 15:49:38

Hi,Is there a way to prevent Tomcat to remove the webappname xml fromconf/Catalina/localhost at every redeployment?I undergo application specific environment settings there but at deploy it gets deleted and I lose the settings. I have tried with and without context xml in META-INF in my war. It gets copied to the conf/Catalina/localhost but contains the default settings. I could use jndi with putting a resource link into the webapp'sMETA-INF/context xml and defined the setting in GlobalResource. But now Ihave to position the same webapp war more times (with different name and settings) to the same Tomcat. I use autodeploy (write the war to the webapps). Please help!Thanks,Balázs---------------------------------------------------------------------To start a new topic e-mail: users@tomcat apache orgTo unsubscribe e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat apache orgFor additional commands e-mail: users-help@tomcat apache org

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Posted on 2007-10-28 13:19:02

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Posted on 2007-10-23 17:18:19

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Posted on 2007-10-17 17:19:30

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