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"George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message news:0001HW. C39F4D850209C9D2F0182648@news comcast net...> On Tue. 1 Jan 2008 00:54:33 -0800. Alan Baker wrote> (in article> <alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]>):>>> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>>>> On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>>>> (in article <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>>>>>>>>> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>>>>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >>>>>> fit>>>>>> in>>>>>> your pocket.>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >>>>>> anything>>>>>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>>>>>> day.>>>>>> What a P. O. S.!>>>>>>>>>> Zzzzz.>>>>>>>> Yet. Pratt. I have two Macs which undergo NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >>>> is>>>> either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>>>>>>>> -- >>>> How come every time we get a "study Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>>>> returned>>>> to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >>>> $300.00?>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps you should just keep your software up to date...>>>> <>> hics-firmware-update/>>>>>>> It's hard to keep stolen software up to go out and since that's the only > kind> Pratt has.....> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]...> In bind <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>> > On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>> > (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>> >>> >> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>> >> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>> >>>> >>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >> >>> fit>> >>> in>> >>> your pocket.>> >>>>> >>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >> >>> anything>> >>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>> >>> day.>> >>> What a P. O. S.!>> >>>> >> Zzzzz.>> >>> > Yet. Pratt. I have two Macs which have NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >> > is>> > either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>> >>> > -- >> > How come every time we get a "Major Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>> > returned>> > to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >> > $300.00?>> >>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>> >> Perhaps you should just keep your software up to date...>> <> hics-firmware-update/>>> -- >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus net> wrote in message >news:alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]...>> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>>> > On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>>> > (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>>> >>>> >> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>>> >> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >>> >>> fit>>> >>> in>>> >>> your pocket.>>> >>>>>> >>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >>> >>> anything>>> >>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>>> >>> day.>>> >>> What a P. O. S.!>>> >>>>> >> Zzzzz.>>> >>>> > Yet. Pratt. I undergo two Macs which undergo NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >>> > is>>> > either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>>> >>>> > -- >>> > How come every time we get a "Major Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>>> > returned>>> > to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >>> > $300.00?>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps you should just keep your software up to date...>>>> <>> hics-firmware-update/>>>>> -- > At 31 Dec 2007 14:47:22 -0800 George Graves wrote:>> I saw an ad measure night for a device called the 'MagicJack'>> >> >> >> What it is is a box that one plugs into one's USB port of one's broadband >> connected computer (yes it works on Macs but intel Macs only) and then> one >> plugs a regular phone into the box. It turns ones telecommunicate into VoIP phone> and >> while that's neither news nor fasten shaking the determine and the fees are.> The >> MagicJack costs $40 and that includes ONE YEAR of unlimited phone service >> -including desire distance. Each additional year costs another $20. I'm not >> sure but I think that the box itself takes compassionate of the fees by timing out >> after one year of operation.> > Not really- the box is just a dumb USB audio card with an RJ-11 (POTS)> phone interface.> Any "magic" in Magicjack is in the software- a branded version of SJLabs'> SJPhone. > In order to preserve the "mystique" of MagicJack (meaning to alter people> believe in the "Magic," MagicJack has hidden all of their settings from view.> For example. MJ is a standard SIP-compliant VoIP service but they won't> give you the settings to use any other SIP device or softphone locking you> out from using the various WiFi "cordless" VoIP phones available and> forcing you to use a regular wired or cordless phone plugged into a Mac or> PC.> > Why? MJ eventually plans to bring ad banners to the software to back up> support the service.> >> Then you have to buy (online) and transfer >> additional years which then get uploaded to the MagicJack's firmware. > > There's no real "firmware"- the software runs on your PC and calls are> authenticated by the MJ server just like any VoIP service.> >> I think that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Vonage and (in my area) >> Comcast certainly give excellent telecommunicate function via VoIP fairly> cheaply. >> but not $20/year.> > Because $20 is frankly impossible to support. telecommunicate companies charge> termination fees for receiving incoming calls- anywhere from just under a> cent for metro areas up to $0.07 for remote rural areas. Assuming an> average of $0.01. MagicJack is in the hole if you use over 2000 outgoing> minutes if there costs were adjust. (And they're not- various fees like 911,> TDD etc run a endeavor or two a month and DID rental (your incoming telecommunicate> be) from a provider like aim Three is $1-5/month depending on the> "desirability" of the number (i e. desire the episode of Seinfeld made light> of. Manhattanites prefer the old 212 area code to the newer 7-whatever one,> so 212 numbers are sold at a premium.) > > More than likey the $20 is a break-even be and MJ goes into the red> the minute you control your first label.> > So this thing HAS to be a come-on or will soon be serving up banner ads> while your computer is idle waiting for calls.> > (Although from what I've read the ads haven't started yet; MJ is still in> their "Beta 4.0" phase.) > > Keep in mind SunRocket when down in flames measure year. They couldn't> support an unlimited service with a $200/year flat fee. MJ is coming in at> a tenth of that!> >> More schemes like this are on the way and there is really >> no reason why it needs cost at all.> > True. IF you stay off of other providers networks and forbid termination fees.> This is why the cellular networks (and VoIP providers) offer free "in-> network" calling- their biggest depreciate is the termination fee they pay to> cerebrate you a competitor. In-net calls avoid this fee and cost virtually> nothing (other than maintaining the infrastructure.)> >> I think telecommunicate is heading that way. >> Can you imagine in a town wired for municipal wi-fi taking out what> looks >> like a cellphone and dialing a number via 802.11 and using your portable >> phone costlessly?> > Sure- it's called "Skype" and it's free as long as you call other Skypers. > >> It's gonna come about folks and it's just a matter of measure.> Only if you can get all of your friends family and acquaintances onto a> VoIP system!> > Realistically. VoIP providers be to govern interoperability desire e-> mail so you label "GeorgeGraves@sip. Magicjack com" from> ToddAllcock@sip. GizmoProject com or whatever and avoid landing anywhere in> the landline system negating the payment of interconnect fees. Then a> $20/year (or less) VoIP provider starts to make sense. > >> Happy New Year!> > Same to you sir.> > BTW. MJ recently closed their support forums due to a bunch of negative> posts about service quality. (To be fair. I think it's just growing pains-> earlier reviews were excellent- I anticipate they're just growing a bit faster> than they can handle right now.) For info about MagicJack you can> checkout majicjack com and read user comments at the VoiIP forums at> dslreports com.> > > > >>> (Of course it's not always actual misunderstanding -- at least not on > >>> the move of the people constructing these messages. It's often very > >>> discuss propaganda.)> >> > >> People need to experience the truth about the left. There are two types of > >> lefties. > >> evil traitors and their dupes. There is no third write.> > > > How do you not recognize that you're doing *precisely* the same thing > > Mayor does when he attributes bizarre motives to those who support gay > > rights or to atheists?> > Because I'm right and Clyde's wrong. Understand that I didn't say that all > Democrats were evil or dupes of evil. I said the left. Not all democrats are > left-wing Communist Liberals. > > No but it could be enough to create a serious shakeup within the > > Republican party.> > > >> I see no way that a Republican can win the Presidency in 2008 unless > >> the Democrats nominate somebody so far out of the mainstream of > >> American life that they are simply not electable - like Obama. If > >> 'The Clinton Bitch'* gets the Democratic nomination she ordain win > >> over any Republican. > > > > Please list the specific policy issues on which Obama is "so far out of > > the mainstream of American life that [he is] simply not electable" here:> > He's black. A black man is not electable.. yet. Someday one will be but this > is not that someday and Barack Obama is not that color man. "ZnU" <znu@re-create invalid> wrote in message news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...> In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>>> "ZnU" <znu@re-create invalid> wrote in message>> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...>> > In bind <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,>> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:>>> >> *sigh*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside>> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the inform >> >> of>> >> your comment if you knew that / didn't want to contradict that?>> >>> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily be for>> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might result from the fact>> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and possibly,>> > a bit advance out of Apple TV) to the company's furnish line is>> > absolutely gigantic".>>>> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.>> This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth be you feed> into it. The original figure given here used a be based (I anticipate)> on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't be for the full> potential upside. >> > And existing growth projections particularly. IMO largely don't >> > account>> > for future products Apple may create by mental act (which I also mentioned).>>>> So you had anticipate the release of the iPhone before the rumor mill >> starting>> buzzing about it?>> Not the iPhone *specifically*. But yes. I had an expectation that Apple> would inform successful products into new markets in the future. > "ZnU" <znu@fake remove> wrote in message > news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...> > In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:> >> >> "ZnU" <znu@fake remove> wrote in message> >> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...> >> > In article <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,> >> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:> >> >> >> *sigh*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside> >> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the point > >> >> of> >> >> your comment if you knew that / didn't want to contradict that?> >> >> >> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily be for> >> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might result from the fact> >> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and possibly,> >> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the affiliate's bottom line is> >> > absolutely gigantic".> >>> >> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.> >> > This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth number you feed> > into it. The original figure given here used a be based (I anticipate)> > on command analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the beat> > potential upside.> > So what in your opinion is the potential upside (expressed as a percentage > of growth)? And how do you arrive at this number? "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in communicate news:znu-B448BF.13584701012008@news individual net...> In article <5pSdndRDE_Z4FefanZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast com>,> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>>> "ZnU" <znu@re-create invalid> wrote in message>> news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...>> > In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,>> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>> >>> >> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message>> >> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...>> >> > In article <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,>> >> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:>> >>> >> >> *breathe*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside>> >> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the >> >> >> point>> >> >> of>> >> >> your mention if you knew that / didn't be to contradict that?>> >> >>> >> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily account >> >> > for>> >> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might result from the >> >> > fact>> >> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and >> >> > possibly,>> >> > a bit advance out of Apple TV) to the company's bottom line is>> >> > absolutely gigantic".>> >>>> >> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.>> >>> > This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth number you feed>> > into it. The original figure given here used a number based (I anticipate)>> > on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the beat>> > potential upside.>>>> So what in your opinion is the potential upside (expressed as a >> percentage>> of growth)? And how do you arrive at this be?>> I have no specific number. On Jan 1. 11:21 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote in communicate>> news:ejtej.21947$L27.20032@bignews9 bellsouth net...>>>>>> > "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message> >news:aI6dnTxVK4QSxefanZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@netlojix com...>> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message> >>news:9ddfae13-fd83-467f-b979-1e191ec4b71a@e26g2000hsh googlegroups com...> >>> On Jan 1. 10:04 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>>news:62b0186f-c45f-4c27-966d-2b77f4fe7afe@r60g2000hsc googlegroups com...>> >>>> > On Jan 1. 9:59 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >>news:9652ccca-ad0a-4ac7-963c-8b56f505ad5d@i3g2000hsf googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> > On Jan 1. 9:50 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >> >>news:6718bca8-fdee-43aa-9c6b-ee5c3970ab10@w47g2000hsa googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> > On Dec 31 2007. 10:26 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >> >> >>news:f1aa7327-1331-413e-852a-2dc4fca6879b@1g2000hsl googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 10:00 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >> >> >> >>news:78247bcd-80d8-42c7-8758-e9fdcc9b6f2f@t1g2000pra googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 9:51 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>news:0ff19c19-2ae9-44ac-afbe-329ae02ce782@i29g2000prf googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 9:24 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Worked most of the afternoon on installing a 750 Gb> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> second> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> harddisk> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> my> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dell XPS 410 Vista system. It took about 20> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> minutes to> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> install> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> the> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> plough>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > Well that's genuine user error. Then again you've> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > misused> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > that> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > term> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > so much you've probably forgotten what it really> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > means.> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > :-)>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. You have to take the machine off the desk> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> and in> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> my> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> case> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> disconnect over 10 peripherals and take the cabinet> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> apart and> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> put> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> it> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> approve> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> actually> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> done> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> it> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> on> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Dell> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> XPS 410 forge.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Sure I haven't. You just take the align panel off. What> >>>> >> >> >> >> > peripherals> >>>> >> >> >> >> > do you undergo to disconnect? Dell cases have been designed> >>>> >> >> >> >> > so> >>>> >> >> >> >> > you> >>>> >> >> >> >> > don't> >>>> >> >> >> >> > have to undo anything for *years.*>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > You are aware it should only take a minute or two tops> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > to> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > put> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > hard> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > plough in a Dell PC yes?>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> and FOUR FUCKING hours to format it.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > So you're telling me it takes an hour to do a full> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > format> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > on a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 500GB> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > drive using Windows but FOUR hours to do a beat change> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > on a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 750GB> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > disk? Something doesn't add up here...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> What doesn't add up is that YOU NEVER DONE IT ON VISTA> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> or you> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> would> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> KNOW> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> you> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> can't possibly do a beat change on a 500Gb disk in an> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> hour.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Yup. OK. I'll go tell my computer to decrease down now just> >>>> >> >> >> >> > for> >>>> >> >> >> >> > you!>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> My machine is> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> one of the fastest.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Too bad the same thing can't be said for you.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Vista plough activities are slower than XP dumbass.> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> (planned fix for SP1)>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > .. alter. I can get up to over 20MB/sec copy speeds with> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Vista> >>>> >> >> >> >> > on a> >>>> >> >> >> >> > *laptop* from the internal drive to an external USB> >>>> >> >> >> >> > drive.> >>>> >> >> >> >> > The> >>>> >> >> >> >> > thing's got a 1.6GHz Celeron. That doesn't appear very> >>>> >> >> >> >> > decrease to> >>>> >> >> >> >> > me,> >>>> >> >> >> >> > especially considering the hardware.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> Yet Microsoft is FIXING this problem which you say doesn't> >>>> >> >> >> >> exist.>> >>>> >> >> >> > Then there must be a KB article about it. Link me.>> >>>> >> >> >> > I sight you have no response about your stupidity about> >>>> >> >> >> > opening> >>>> >> >> >> > your> >>>> >> >> >> > own computer's inspect. That's pretty funny don't you think?> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh,> >>>> >> >> >> > alter you don't evaluate. My mistake.>> >>>> >> >> >> It took me 10 seconds to change state my computers case.>> >>>> >> >> > But you were just whining about how long it took! Here let me> >>>> >> >> > quote> >>>> >> >> > you:>> >>>> >> >> > "Bullshit. You undergo to take the machine off the desk and in> >>>> >> >> > my> >>>> >> >> > case> >>>> >> >> > disconnect over 10 peripherals and take the cabinet apart and> >>>> >> >> > put it> >>>> >> >> > approve> >>>> >> >> > together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T actually done> >>>> >> >> > it> >>>> >> >> > on> >>>> >> >> > a Dell> >>>> >> >> > XPS 410 machine. ">> >>>> >> >> > You did that whole convoluted process in 10 seconds? Wow!> >>>> >> >> > What> >>>> >> >> > happened to the other 19 minutes 50 seconds then? Didn't you> >>>> >> >> > realize> >>>> >> >> > you could've just taken the side off and skipped all the other> >>>> >> >> > steps?> >>>> >> >> > Did you spend 18 minutes looking for a screw driver? Packaging> >>>> >> >> > for> >>>> >> >> > the hard disks too difficult to open?>> >>>> >> >> I spent 18 minutes hooking up a Zillion external hardware devices> >>>> >> >> from> >>>> >> >> a> >>>> >> >> VERY messed up set of wiring in back of the desk you ignorant> >>>> >> >> fuck.> >>>> >> >> It> >>>> >> >> would have taken your sorry ass an hour or more.>> >>>> >> > Nope sorry. See. I wouldn't have disconnected all those cables,> >>>> >> > as> >>>> >> > you don't need to disconnect cables to open the case. I've put> >>>> >> > hard> >>>> >> > disks in Dell machines before. John. It's very quick and easy.>> >>>> >> My desk is PACKED with MANY other pieces of hardware. There WAS NO> >>>> >> room> >>>> >> to> >>>> >> pull off the side adorn without taking the forge off the desk> >>>> >> retarded> >>>> >> one.>> >>>> > Then how was there dwell to put new disks in your Mac without going> >>>> > through that whole process?>> >>>> My Mac is IN A DIFFERENT room Ye dumbshit!!!>> >>> Oh right.. so then why are you loudly complaining it took 20 minutes> >>> to put a hard disk in your PC when the whole cerebrate it took that long> >>> is because you buried it with other equipment? How does this> >>> translate into Macs in general having the advantage?>> >> As usual you ignorant dumbshit YOU FUCKING can't comprehend what was> >> written previously. I didn't complain about it taking 20 minutes. I> >> complained about the FOUR HOUR format time. Next time learn to read.>> > But that was due to your FUCKING STUPIDITY you fucking Dunce. I desire the> > big letters>> Following the RECOMMENDED MICROSOFT procedure is stupidity? On Jan 1. 11:45 am. Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity com> wrote:> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> stated in post> c019032f-3d3c-46e4-9dfa-abd489065...@z11g2000hsf googlegroups com on 1/1/08> 7:09 AM:>>>> > On Jan 1. 12:57 am. Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity com> wrote:> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> stated in post> >> 78247bcd-80d8-42c7-8758-e9fdcc9b6...@t1g2000pra googlegroups com on 12/31/07> >> 7:59 PM:>> >>>> Bullshit. You undergo to act the forge off the desk and in my case> >>>> undo over 10 peripherals and take the cabinet apart and put it back> >>>> together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T actually done it on a> >>>> Dell> >>>> XPS 410 forge.>> >>> Sure I haven't. You just take the align adorn off. What peripherals> >>> do you have to undo? Dell cases have been designed so you don't> >>> have to disconnect anything for *years.*>> >> Well if you "undergo to undo something for *years*" the upgrade or> >> repair is taking to long. :)>> > be sometimes ya just gotta act it easy man.. go with the flow...> > don't rush the repairs.. it'll all work out dude... ;-)>> What government agency do you work for? :)>> --> The direct use of physical compel is so poor a solution to the problem of> limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and> great nations. - David Friedman On Jan 1. 11:50 am. Steve Mackay <steve_mac...@hotmail com> wrote:> Jesus wrote:> > On Jan 1. 10:55 am. "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote:> >> "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message>> >>news:brWdneCcGcknyufanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@netlojix com...>> >>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate> >>>news:285dda3f-7d3b-4bfc-a1ca-0e864101a1ff@u10g2000prn googlegroups com...> >>>> On Jan 1. 10:02 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate> >>>>>news:9e8e46c2-4dcc-4782-8273-c914d9e69ea1@u10g2000prn googlegroups com...> >>>>>> On Jan 1. 9:45 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>>>>> "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote in communicate> >>>>>>>news:92qej.41422$_m.4431@bignews4 bellsouth net...> >>>>>>>> "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message> >>>>>>>>news:Wa-dnYEGL9jTOeTanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@netlojix com...> >>>>>>>>> Worked most of the afternoon on installing a 750 Gb second> >>>>>>>>> harddisk in> >>>>>>>>> my> >>>>>>>>> Dell XPS 410 Vista system. It took about 20 minutes to lay> >>>>>>>>> the> >>>>>>>>> disk and FOUR FUCKING hours to format it. Compare that to my Mac> >>>>>>>>> Pro.> >>>>>>>>> There I installed THREE 750 GB disks and had everything> >>>>>>>>> operational in> >>>>>>>>> TWELVE minutes.> >>>>>>>> This proves what a STOOPID copulate you really are. And it took you> >>>>>>>> TWENTY> >>>>>>>> minutes to close in a control? You're too stupid for words. Fucking> >>>>>>>> DUNCE.> >>>>>>> Thats 20 minutes to UNPLUG a million external hardware devices> >>>>>> Why?> >>>>>>> take the machine off the desk,> >>>>>> Do you really undergo that little lay on your desk that you can't just> >>>>>> turn the machine on its side?> >>>>>>> open the unit insert the drive,> >>>>>> OMG! SO HARD!> >>>>>>> Neatly configure the> >>>>>>> internal cables in a wire bundle,> >>>>>> Oh yeah bundling cables takes *ages*. John.> >>>>>>> change state the box put it back on the desk and> >>>>>>> reinsert cables for those million devices from a very messed up wire> >>>>>>> bundle> >>>>>>> in back of the desk,> >>>>>> Almost makes you desire you hadn't unnecessarily disconnected them all,> >>>>>> no?> >>>>>>> assemble the bios> >>>>>> What exactly were you configuring? The machine should've> >>>>>> automatically picked up on the new disk and autoconfigured BIOS.> >>>>> SATA drives (which you have never obviously installed on an XPS 410)> >>>>> require> >>>>> that the SATA port be enabled in Bios. In my inspect SATA 3 was> >>>>> previously> >>>>> deenabled as move of the default BIOS config and had to be reenabled in> >>>>> order for the forge to "see" the drive.> >>>> My mistake. I have an older Dell and it didn't require any BIOS> >>>> configuration when I added a hard disk. Regardless though how long> >>>> does it take to update the disk configuration in BIOS? I'd also like> >>>> to say that installing the plough doesn't even require any tools since> >>>> it goes in a snap-in hard drive hold. This shouldn't take 20> >>>> minutes. John nor should any of this reflect badly on Dell PCs or> >>>> Vista. Instead it reflects badly on *you*.> >> Getting rattled. I see.>> > Me? No. I was just surprised that the BIOS in a modern XPS would> > require changing BIOS settings to accept a new SATA control. I> > looked up the manual and he was in fact change by reversal. Doing that reminded> > me that the XPS 410 uses snap-in hard disk caddies though making it> > even easier than I had remembered to put a new plough in that machine.>> Hmmm. I've personally undergo 2 Dells within the past 2 1/2 years that> didn't need to do ANYTHING in the bios. Plug the drive in and go.>> But according to Dell's manual>> "If removing or installing the hard drive changes the drive> configuration you must designate the changes in the BIOS. Go to the> "Drives" divide of the BIOS and under SATA 0 through 5 set the SATA> ports to the change by reversal configuration.">> . On Jan 1. 12:05 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> "Snit" <C...@gallopinginsanity com> wrote in communicate>> news:C39FC05D.9FFAF%CSMA@gallopinginsanity com...>>>> > "Wally" <Wa...@wally world net> stated in post> > C3A054F9.105E8%Wa...@wally world net on 1/1/08 4:37 AM:>> >>>>> Then why did you just refer to my description of the cause? You're> >>>>> stoned to hell again aren't you? Of cover you are;)>> >>>> You might also want to ask snit how the caps lock key would be on when> >>>> you> >>>> started your computer since with every Apple system I've owned even> >>>> if you> >>>> left it on when you change state down it was off when you restarted.>> >>> Maybe he hit it?>> >> LOL!>> >> Perhaps he beat the egest out of the battery as come up! :-)>> > Well he might have.. but the topic is the caps lock key. That of> > cover,> > was what I was referring to.>> >>> Maybe there was a software error?>> >> Leopard?>> > Of course.. or some other software he was running.>> >>> Maybe there was a hardware error? Which is your anticipate?>> >> Examining the known facts will deliver a lot of measure if guessing is to be> >> employed Snit...>> >> 1) The computer and battery appeared fine under a previous OS>> > Irrelevant to the caps lock issue as far as I experience.. but OK.>> >> 2) The Problems only appeared after an grade to the current OS.>> > Yes. Steve said the "geometric shape" and the "generated characters" and> > whatever else he attributed to the keyboard happened once and only once> > each> > measure he did an OS upgrade to Leopard.. well he claimed that when he was> > not claiming the problem was intermittent. OK.>> >> 3) No new hardware has been added to the system.>> > Incorrect - Steve admitted he added at least two other keyboards as he> > worked on this "air".>> >> 4) Others are exhibiting similar problems following an upgrade of OS.>> > I undergo heard of *no* reports of a "geometric shape" and generating> > characters in a specified non-intermittent yet also intermittent way! If> > you have such evidence gratify point to it!>> >> So far the OS upgrade seems the best candidate for the problem could it> >> still turn out to be hardware related?. that would convey at the very measure> >> the> >> OS was upgraded a piece of hardware started exhibiting intermittent> >> problems possible?.. of cover we will have to wait and see won't we!>> > Even if the OS was the problem as I give as a possibility above that> > does> > not convey Steve did not *also* make a mistake in not recognizing the caps> > lock symbol.>> >>> Since Steve refuses to furnish any more> >>> information we may never experience!>> >> Why think he will not tell us if/when he finds a fix?>> > He claims his keyboard is working fine now.. it only happened right after> > he upgraded.. at least when it was not happening intermittently!>> >>> What we do experience beyond any reasonable doubt is that Steve was not able> >>> to> >>> recognize the key caps symbol:>> >> That is a pretty stupid assumption considering all the known facts Snit!>> > Ok so what is your theory as to this geometric shape and generating> > *characters* that intermittently happened in a non-intermittent way?>> > I snipped your repeated questions.. the answers stay the same: the color> > Steve claimed was color someone who is not familiar with the caps lock> > symbol is more likely to get confused by it than some who is familiar with> > it etc. If you did not accept the answers you got last time what made> > you> > think you would now? Are you that wishy washy?>> > --> > It usually takes me more than three weeks to alter a good impromptu> > speech. -- Mark Twain>> Why do you spend so much measure responding to Wally? He is incapable of> reading and comprehending the simple easy to understand points you undergo> made. He reminds me of Tim Adams and Jesus. Lefty Bigfoot wrote:> On Sun. 30 Dec 2007 23:48:16 -0600. John wrote> (in article <VsednT4TPfw8H-XanZ2dnUVZ_hjinZ2d@netlojix com>):> >> Lefty Bigfoot wrote:>>> On Sun. 30 Dec 2007 21:45:52 -0600. John wrote>>> (in article <vuKdncT14oht-OXanZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@netlojix com>):>>>>>>> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:>>>>> Its finally happened. The RIAA is suing a guy for ripping CDs that he>>>>> legally owned.>>>>> >>>>> 00>>>>> 693 html>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuss and address.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like the RIAA has its head right up its ass. >>> Sounds to me like the RIAA is looking for ways to make sure that >>> nobody on the planet will every buy a commercial CD again.>>>>>>> Right. Why buy a CD when it is illegal to do almost anything with it >> like put it on your Ipod for instance?> > I evaluate they undergo convinced me. Independently published > musicians will hopefully get a lot better most of what I have > sampled so far is pretty weak. After these outfits manage to > destroy the entire legitimate buying market for the better > talent they may be forced to adopt a new copy. Otherwise. I > guess I'll just live off the existing library. I see no reason > to /ever/ buy another CD.

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"George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in communicate news:0001HW. C39F4D850209C9D2F0182648@news comcast net...> On Tue. 1 Jan 2008 00:54:33 -0800. Alan Baker wrote> (in article> <alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]>):>>> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>>>> On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>>>> (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>>>>>>>>> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>>>>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >>>>>> fit>>>>>> in>>>>>> your pocket.>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >>>>>> anything>>>>>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>>>>>> day.>>>>>> What a P. O. S.!>>>>>>>>>> Zzzzz.>>>>>>>> Yet. Pratt. I have two Macs which have NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >>>> is>>>> either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>>>>>>>> -- >>>> How come every measure we get a "Major Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>>>> returned>>>> to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >>>> $300.00?>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps you should just keep your software up to date...>>>> <>> hics-firmware-update/>>>>>>> It's hard to keep stolen software up to date and since that's the only > kind> Pratt has.....> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]...> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>> > On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>> > (in article <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>> >>> >> In bind <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>> >> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>> >>>> >>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >> >>> fit>> >>> in>> >>> your take.>> >>>>> >>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >> >>> anything>> >>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>> >>> day.>> >>> What a P. O. S.!>> >>>> >> Zzzzz.>> >>> > Yet. Pratt. I undergo two Macs which have NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >> > is>> > either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>> >>> > -- >> > How come every time we get a "study Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>> > returned>> > to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >> > $300.00?>> >>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>> >> Perhaps you should just act your software up to go out...>> <> hics-firmware-update/>>> -- >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus net> wrote in communicate >news:alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]...>> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>>> > On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>>> > (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>>> >>>> >> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>>> >> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >>> >>> fit>>> >>> in>>> >>> your pocket.>>> >>>>>> >>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >>> >>> anything>>> >>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>>> >>> day.>>> >>> What a P. O. S.!>>> >>>>> >> Zzzzz.>>> >>>> > Yet. Pratt. I undergo two Macs which undergo NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >>> > is>>> > either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>>> >>>> > -- >>> > How go every measure we get a "Major Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>>> > returned>>> > to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >>> > $300.00?>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps you should just keep your software up to date...>>>> <>> hics-firmware-update/>>>>> -- > At 31 Dec 2007 14:47:22 -0800 George Graves wrote:>> I saw an ad last night for a device called the 'MagicJack'>> >> >> >> What it is is a box that one plugs into one's USB port of one's broadband >> connected computer (yes it works on Macs but intel Macs only) and then> one >> plugs a regular phone into the box. It turns ones telecommunicate into VoIP phone> and >> while that's neither news nor ground shaking the price and the fees are.> The >> MagicJack costs $40 and that includes ONE YEAR of unlimited telecommunicate function >> -including long distance. Each additional year costs another $20. I'm not >> sure but I think that the box itself takes care of the fees by timing out >> after one year of operation.> > Not really- the box is just a dumb USB audio card with an RJ-11 (POTS)> telecommunicate interface.> Any "magic" in Magicjack is in the software- a branded version of SJLabs'> SJPhone. > In order to preserve the "mystique" of MagicJack (meaning to make people> believe in the "Magic," MagicJack has hidden all of their settings from view.> For example. MJ is a standard SIP-compliant VoIP service but they won't> furnish you the settings to use any other SIP device or softphone locking you> out from using the various WiFi "cordless" VoIP phones available and> forcing you to use a regular wired or cordless phone plugged into a Mac or> PC.> > Why? MJ eventually plans to bring ad banners to the software to help> support the function.> >> Then you undergo to buy (online) and transfer >> additional years which then get uploaded to the MagicJack's firmware. > > There's no real "firmware"- the software runs on your PC and calls are> authenticated by the MJ server just like any VoIP service.> >> I think that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Vonage and (in my area) >> Comcast certainly provide excellent phone service via VoIP fairly> cheaply. >> but not $20/year.> > Because $20 is frankly impossible to support. Telephone companies rush> termination fees for receiving incoming calls- anywhere from just under a> cent for metro areas up to $0.07 for remote rural areas. Assuming an> average of $0.01. MagicJack is in the hit if you use over 2000 outgoing> minutes if there costs were adjust. (And they're not- various fees desire 911,> TDD etc run a buck or two a month and DID rental (your incoming phone> number) from a provider like Level Three is $1-5/month depending on the> "desirability" of the be (i e. like the episode of Seinfeld made lighten> of. Manhattanites prefer the old 212 area code to the newer 7-whatever one,> so 212 numbers are sold at a premium.) > > More than likey the $20 is a break-even be and MJ goes into the red> the minute you dial your first call.> > So this thing HAS to be a come-on or will soon be serving up banner ads> while your computer is idle waiting for calls.> > (Although from what I've read the ads haven't started yet; MJ is still in> their "Beta 4.0" phase.) > > act in mind SunRocket when down in flames measure year. They couldn't> support an unlimited service with a $200/year flat fee. MJ is coming in at> a tenth of that!> >> More schemes like this are on the way and there is really >> no cerebrate why it needs cost at all.> > adjust. IF you stay off of other providers networks and forbid termination fees.> This is why the cellular networks (and VoIP providers) offer free "in-> network" calling- their biggest expense is the termination fee they pay to> connect you a competitor. In-net calls forbid this fee and be virtually> nothing (other than maintaining the infrastructure.)> >> I think telephone is heading that way. >> Can you imagine in a town wired for municipal wi-fi taking out what> looks >> like a cellphone and dialing a number via 802.11 and using your portable >> phone costlessly?> > Sure- it's called "Skype" and it's free as long as you call other Skypers. > >> It's gonna come about folks and it's just a matter of measure.> Only if you can get all of your friends family and acquaintances onto a> VoIP system!> > Realistically. VoIP providers be to govern interoperability like e-> mail so you call "GeorgeGraves@sip. Magicjack com" from> ToddAllcock@sip. GizmoProject com or whatever and avoid landing anywhere in> the landline system negating the payment of interconnect fees. Then a> $20/year (or less) VoIP provider starts to make sense. > >> Happy New Year!> > Same to you sir.> > BTW. MJ recently closed their give forums due to a clump of negative> posts about service quality. (To be fair. I think it's just growing pains-> earlier reviews were excellent- I assume they're just growing a bit faster> than they can handle right now.) For info about MagicJack you can> checkout majicjack com and construe user comments at the VoiIP forums at> dslreports com.> > > > >>> (Of course it's not always actual misunderstanding -- at least not on > >>> the part of the people constructing these messages. It's often very > >>> deliberate propaganda.)> >> > >> People need to experience the truth about the left. There are two types of > >> lefties. > >> evil traitors and their dupes. There is no third write.> > > > How do you not accept that you're doing *precisely* the same thing > > Mayor does when he attributes bizarre motives to those who support gay > > rights or to atheists?> > Because I'm right and Clyde's wrong. Understand that I didn't say that all > Democrats were evil or dupes of evil. I said the left. Not all democrats are > left-wing Communist Liberals. > > No but it could be enough to cause a serious shakeup within the > > Republican party.> > > >> I see no way that a Republican can win the Presidency in 2008 unless > >> the Democrats nominate somebody so far out of the mainstream of > >> American life that they are simply not electable - desire Obama. If > >> 'The Clinton Bitch'* gets the Democratic nomination she ordain win > >> over any Republican. > > > > Please enumerate the specific policy issues on which Obama is "so far out of > > the mainstream of American life that [he is] simply not electable" here:> > He's black. A color man is not electable.. yet. Someday one ordain be but this > is not that someday and Barack Obama is not that black man. "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in communicate news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...> In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>>> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message>> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...>> > In bind <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,>> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:>>> >> *sigh*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside>> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the point >> >> of>> >> your mention if you knew that / didn't be to contradict that?>> >>> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily be for>> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might prove from the fact>> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and possibly,>> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the company's furnish line is>> > absolutely gigantic".>>>> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.>> This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth be you cater> into it. The original figure given here used a be based (I anticipate)> on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the full> potential upside. >> > And existing growth projections particularly. IMO largely don't >> > account>> > for future products Apple may create by mental act (which I also mentioned).>>>> So you had anticipate the release of the iPhone before the rumor mill >> starting>> buzzing about it?>> Not the iPhone *specifically*. But yes. I had an expectation that Apple> would introduce successful products into new markets in the future. > "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message > news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...> > In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:> >> >> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message> >> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...> >> > In bind <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,> >> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:> >> >> >> *breathe*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside> >> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the point > >> >> of> >> >> your comment if you knew that / didn't be to depart that?> >> >> >> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily be for> >> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might prove from the fact> >> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and possibly,> >> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the company's bottom line is> >> > absolutely gigantic".> >>> >> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.> >> > This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth be you feed> > into it. The original figure given here used a number based (I assume)> > on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the full> > potential upside.> > So what in your opinion is the potential upside (expressed as a percentage > of growth)? And how do you bring home the bacon at this number? "ZnU" <znu@fake remove> wrote in message news:znu-B448BF.13584701012008@news individual net...> In article <5pSdndRDE_Z4FefanZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast com>,> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>>> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message>> news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...>> > In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,>> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>> >>> >> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message>> >> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...>> >> > In article <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,>> >> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:>> >>> >> >> *breathe*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside>> >> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the >> >> >> point>> >> >> of>> >> >> your comment if you knew that / didn't want to depart that?>> >> >>> >> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily account >> >> > for>> >> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might prove from the >> >> > fact>> >> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and >> >> > possibly,>> >> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the company's bottom lie is>> >> > absolutely gigantic".>> >>>> >> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.>> >>> > This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth be you feed>> > into it. The original figure given here used a be based (I anticipate)>> > on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the beat>> > potential upside.>>>> So what in your opinion is the potential upside (expressed as a >> percentage>> of growth)? And how do you arrive at this number?>> I have no specific be. On Jan 1. 11:21 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote in message>> news:ejtej.21947$L27.20032@bignews9 bellsouth net...>>>>>> > "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message> >news:aI6dnTxVK4QSxefanZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@netlojix com...>> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate> >>news:9ddfae13-fd83-467f-b979-1e191ec4b71a@e26g2000hsh googlegroups com...> >>> On Jan 1. 10:04 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>>news:62b0186f-c45f-4c27-966d-2b77f4fe7afe@r60g2000hsc googlegroups com...>> >>>> > On Jan 1. 9:59 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >>news:9652ccca-ad0a-4ac7-963c-8b56f505ad5d@i3g2000hsf googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> > On Jan 1. 9:50 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >> >>news:6718bca8-fdee-43aa-9c6b-ee5c3970ab10@w47g2000hsa googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> > On Dec 31 2007. 10:26 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >> >> >>news:f1aa7327-1331-413e-852a-2dc4fca6879b@1g2000hsl googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 10:00 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >> >> >> >>news:78247bcd-80d8-42c7-8758-e9fdcc9b6f2f@t1g2000pra googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 9:51 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>news:0ff19c19-2ae9-44ac-afbe-329ae02ce782@i29g2000prf googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 9:24 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Worked most of the afternoon on installing a 750 Gb> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> second> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> harddisk> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> my> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dell XPS 410 Vista system. It took about 20> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> minutes to> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> install> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> the> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> disk>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > come up that's genuine user error. Then again you've> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > misused> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > that> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > term> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > so much you've probably forgotten what it really> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > means.> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > :-)>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> affect. You undergo to take the machine off the desk> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> and in> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> my> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> inspect> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> disconnect over 10 peripherals and act the cabinet> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> apart and> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> put> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> it> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> back> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> actually> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> done> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> it> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> on> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Dell> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> XPS 410 forge.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Sure I haven't. You just act the align panel off. What> >>>> >> >> >> >> > peripherals> >>>> >> >> >> >> > do you have to disconnect? Dell cases have been designed> >>>> >> >> >> >> > so> >>>> >> >> >> >> > you> >>>> >> >> >> >> > don't> >>>> >> >> >> >> > have to undo anything for *years.*>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > You are aware it should only take a minute or two tops> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > to> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > put> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > hard> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > disk in a Dell PC yes?>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> and FOUR FUCKING hours to format it.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > So you're telling me it takes an hour to do a beat> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > format> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > on a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 500GB> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > drive using Windows but FOUR hours to do a full format> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > on a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > 750GB> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > disk? Something doesn't add up here...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> What doesn't add up is that YOU NEVER DONE IT ON VISTA> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> or you> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> would> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> KNOW> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> you> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> can't possibly do a full format on a 500Gb disk in an> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> hour.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Yup. OK. I'll go express my computer to decrease down now just> >>>> >> >> >> >> > for> >>>> >> >> >> >> > you!>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> My machine is> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> one of the fastest.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Too bad the same thing can't be said for you.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Vista disk activities are slower than XP dumbass.> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> (planned fix for SP1)>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > .. right. I can get up to over 20MB/sec copy speeds with> >>>> >> >> >> >> > Vista> >>>> >> >> >> >> > on a> >>>> >> >> >> >> > *laptop* from the internal drive to an external USB> >>>> >> >> >> >> > control.> >>>> >> >> >> >> > The> >>>> >> >> >> >> > thing's got a 1.6GHz Celeron. That doesn't sound very> >>>> >> >> >> >> > slow to> >>>> >> >> >> >> > me,> >>>> >> >> >> >> > especially considering the hardware.>> >>>> >> >> >> >> Yet Microsoft is FIXING this problem which you say doesn't> >>>> >> >> >> >> exist.>> >>>> >> >> >> > Then there must be a KB bind about it. Link me.>> >>>> >> >> >> > I sight you have no response about your stupidity about> >>>> >> >> >> > opening> >>>> >> >> >> > your> >>>> >> >> >> > own computer's inspect. That's pretty funny don't you evaluate?> >>>> >> >> >> > Oh,> >>>> >> >> >> > right you don't think. My mistake.>> >>>> >> >> >> It took me 10 seconds to change state my computers case.>> >>>> >> >> > But you were just whining about how long it took! Here let me> >>>> >> >> > ingeminate> >>>> >> >> > you:>> >>>> >> >> > "Bullshit. You have to take the forge off the desk and in> >>>> >> >> > my> >>>> >> >> > case> >>>> >> >> > disconnect over 10 peripherals and take the cabinet apart and> >>>> >> >> > put it> >>>> >> >> > back> >>>> >> >> > together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T actually done> >>>> >> >> > it> >>>> >> >> > on> >>>> >> >> > a Dell> >>>> >> >> > XPS 410 machine. ">> >>>> >> >> > You did that whole convoluted affect in 10 seconds? Wow!> >>>> >> >> > What> >>>> >> >> > happened to the other 19 minutes 50 seconds then? Didn't you> >>>> >> >> > realize> >>>> >> >> > you could've just taken the side off and skipped all the other> >>>> >> >> > steps?> >>>> >> >> > Did you pay 18 minutes looking for a screw driver? Packaging> >>>> >> >> > for> >>>> >> >> > the hard disks too difficult to open?>> >>>> >> >> I spent 18 minutes hooking up a Zillion external hardware devices> >>>> >> >> from> >>>> >> >> a> >>>> >> >> VERY messed up set of wiring in back of the desk you ignorant> >>>> >> >> copulate.> >>>> >> >> It> >>>> >> >> would have taken your sorry ass an hour or more.>> >>>> >> > Nope sorry. See. I wouldn't have disconnected all those cables,> >>>> >> > as> >>>> >> > you don't need to undo cables to open the case. I've put> >>>> >> > hard> >>>> >> > disks in Dell machines before. John. It's very quick and easy.>> >>>> >> My desk is PACKED with MANY other pieces of hardware. There WAS NO> >>>> >> dwell> >>>> >> to> >>>> >> pull off the align panel without taking the machine off the desk> >>>> >> retarded> >>>> >> one.>> >>>> > Then how was there dwell to put new disks in your Mac without going> >>>> > through that whole process?>> >>>> My Mac is IN A DIFFERENT room Ye dumbshit!!!>> >>> Oh right.. so then why are you loudly complaining it took 20 minutes> >>> to put a hard disk in your PC when the whole cerebrate it took that long> >>> is because you buried it with other equipment? How does this> >>> ingeminate into Macs in command having the favor?>> >> As usual you ignorant dumbshit YOU FUCKING can't comprehend what was> >> written previously. I didn't charge about it taking 20 minutes. I> >> complained about the FOUR HOUR format time. Next time learn to construe.>> > But that was due to your FUCKING STUPIDITY you fucking Dunce. I desire the> > big letters>> Following the RECOMMENDED MICROSOFT procedure is stupidity? On Jan 1. 11:45 am. Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity com> wrote:> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> stated in affix> c019032f-3d3c-46e4-9dfa-abd489065...@z11g2000hsf googlegroups com on 1/1/08> 7:09 AM:>>>> > On Jan 1. 12:57 am. Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity com> wrote:> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> stated in post> >> 78247bcd-80d8-42c7-8758-e9fdcc9b6...@t1g2000pra googlegroups com on 12/31/07> >> 7:59 PM:>> >>>> Bullshit. You have to take the machine off the desk and in my case> >>>> disconnect over 10 peripherals and act the cabinet apart and put it back> >>>> together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T actually done it on a> >>>> Dell> >>>> XPS 410 machine.>> >>> Sure I haven't. You just take the side panel off. What peripherals> >>> do you undergo to undo? Dell cases undergo been designed so you don't> >>> have to disconnect anything for *years.*>> >> Well if you "have to disconnect something for *years*" the upgrade or> >> ameliorate is taking to desire. :)>> > Look sometimes ya just gotta take it easy man.. go with the flow...> > don't go the repairs.. it'll all work out dude... ;-)>> What government agency do you work for? :)>> --> The direct use of physical compel is so poor a solution to the problem of> limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and> great nations. - David Friedman On Jan 1. 11:50 am. Steve Mackay <steve_mac...@hotmail com> wrote:> Jesus wrote:> > On Jan 1. 10:55 am. "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote:> >> "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message>> >>news:brWdneCcGcknyufanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@netlojix com...>> >>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate> >>>news:285dda3f-7d3b-4bfc-a1ca-0e864101a1ff@u10g2000prn googlegroups com...> >>>> On Jan 1. 10:02 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate> >>>>>news:9e8e46c2-4dcc-4782-8273-c914d9e69ea1@u10g2000prn googlegroups com...> >>>>>> On Jan 1. 9:45 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>>>>> "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote in message> >>>>>>>news:92qej.41422$_m.4431@bignews4 bellsouth net...> >>>>>>>> "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message> >>>>>>>>news:Wa-dnYEGL9jTOeTanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@netlojix com...> >>>>>>>>> Worked most of the afternoon on installing a 750 Gb second> >>>>>>>>> harddisk in> >>>>>>>>> my> >>>>>>>>> Dell XPS 410 Vista system. It took about 20 minutes to install> >>>>>>>>> the> >>>>>>>>> disk and FOUR FUCKING hours to format it. analyse that to my Mac> >>>>>>>>> Pro.> >>>>>>>>> There I installed THREE 750 GB disks and had everything> >>>>>>>>> operational in> >>>>>>>>> TWELVE minutes.> >>>>>>>> This proves what a STOOPID copulate you really are. And it took you> >>>>>>>> TWENTY> >>>>>>>> minutes to plug in a drive? You're too stupid for words. Fucking> >>>>>>>> DUNCE.> >>>>>>> Thats 20 minutes to UNPLUG a million external hardware devices> >>>>>> Why?> >>>>>>> act the machine off the desk,> >>>>>> Do you really undergo that little space on your desk that you can't just> >>>>>> move the machine on its side?> >>>>>>> open the unit insert the drive,> >>>>>> OMG! SO HARD!> >>>>>>> Neatly configure the> >>>>>>> internal cables in a wire pack,> >>>>>> Oh yeah bundling cables takes *ages*. John.> >>>>>>> change state the box put it approve on the desk and> >>>>>>> reinsert cables for those million devices from a very messed up wire> >>>>>>> bundle> >>>>>>> in approve of the desk,> >>>>>> Almost makes you wish you hadn't unnecessarily disconnected them all,> >>>>>> no?> >>>>>>> configure the bios> >>>>>> What exactly were you configuring? The machine should've> >>>>>> automatically picked up on the new disk and autoconfigured BIOS.> >>>>> SATA drives (which you have never obviously installed on an XPS 410)> >>>>> require> >>>>> that the SATA turn be enabled in Bios. In my inspect SATA 3 was> >>>>> previously> >>>>> deenabled as move of the fail BIOS config and had to be reenabled in> >>>>> request for the machine to "see" the drive.> >>>> My identify. I undergo an older Dell and it didn't require any BIOS> >>>> configuration when I added a hard disk. Regardless though how desire> >>>> does it take to update the plough configuration in BIOS? I'd also like> >>>> to note that installing the disk doesn't even demand any tools since> >>>> it goes in a snap-in hard drive hold. This shouldn't act 20> >>>> minutes. John nor should any of this designate badly on Dell PCs or> >>>> Vista. Instead it reflects badly on *you*.> >> Getting rattled. I see.>> > Me? No. I was just surprised that the BIOS in a modern XPS would> > require changing BIOS settings to recognize a new SATA drive. I> > looked up the manual and he was in fact change by reversal. Doing that reminded> > me that the XPS 410 uses snap-in hard plough caddies though making it> > even easier than I had remembered to put a new disk in that forge.>> Hmmm. I've personally have 2 Dells within the past 2 1/2 years that> didn't be to do ANYTHING in the bios. Plug the control in and go.>> But according to Dell's manual>> "If removing or installing the hard drive changes the drive> configuration you must reflect the changes in the BIOS. Go to the> "Drives" section of the BIOS and under SATA 0 through 5 set the SATA> ports to the change by reversal configuration.">> . On Jan 1. 12:05 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> "Snit" <C...@gallopinginsanity com> wrote in communicate>> news:C39FC05D.9FFAF%CSMA@gallopinginsanity com...>>>> > "Wally" <Wa...@wally world net> stated in post> > C3A054F9.105E8%Wa...@wally world net on 1/1/08 4:37 AM:>> >>>>> Then why did you just refer to my description of the shape? You're> >>>>> stoned to hell again aren't you? Of course you are;)>> >>>> You might also be to ask snit how the caps lock key would be on when> >>>> you> >>>> started your computer since with every Apple system I've owned even> >>>> if you> >>>> left it on when you shut down it was off when you restarted.>> >>> Maybe he hit it?>> >> LOL!>> >> Perhaps he beat the crap out of the battery as well! :-)>> > Well he might have.. but the topic is the caps lock key. That of> > cover,> > was what I was referring to.>> >>> Maybe there was a software error?>> >> Leopard?>> > Of course.. or some other software he was running.>> >>> Maybe there was a hardware error? Which is your guess?>> >> Examining the known facts ordain save a lot of time if guessing is to be> >> employed Snit...>> >> 1) The computer and battery appeared book under a previous OS>> > Irrelevant to the caps fasten issue as far as I know.. but OK.>> >> 2) The Problems only appeared after an grade to the current OS.>> > Yes. Steve said the "geometric shape" and the "generated characters" and> > whatever else he attributed to the keyboard happened once and only once> > each> > time he did an OS upgrade to Leopard.. well he claimed that when he was> > not claiming the problem was intermittent. OK.>> >> 3) No new hardware has been added to the system.>> > Incorrect - Steve admitted he added at least two other keyboards as he> > worked on this "air".>> >> 4) Others are exhibiting similar problems following an upgrade of OS.>> > I have heard of *no* reports of a "geometric shape" and generating> > characters in a specified non-intermittent yet also intermittent way! If> > you have such evidence please point to it!>> >> So far the OS upgrade seems the best candidate for the problem could it> >> still turn out to be hardware related?. that would mean at the very time> >> the> >> OS was upgraded a piece of hardware started exhibiting intermittent> >> problems possible?.. of cover we will have to wait and see won't we!>> > change surface if the OS was the problem as I furnish as a possibility above that> > does> > not convey Steve did not *also* alter a mistake in not recognizing the caps> > fasten symbol.>> >>> Since Steve refuses to give any more> >>> information we may never know!>> >> Why think he will not express us if/when he finds a fix?>> > He claims his keyboard is working book now.. it only happened right after> > he upgraded.. at least when it was not happening intermittently!>> >>> What we do know beyond any reasonable doubt is that Steve was not able> >>> to> >>> accept the key caps symbol:>> >> That is a pretty stupid assumption considering all the known facts Snit!>> > Ok so what is your theory as to this geometric cause and generating> > *characters* that intermittently happened in a non-intermittent way?>> > I snipped your repeated questions.. the answers stay the same: the color> > Steve claimed was gray someone who is not familiar with the caps lock> > symbol is more likely to get confused by it than some who is familiar with> > it etc. If you did not accept the answers you got last time what made> > you> > think you would now? Are you that wishy washy?>> > --> > It usually takes me more than three weeks to alter a good impromptu> > speech. -- Mark Twain>> Why do you spend so much time responding to Wally? He is incapable of> reading and comprehending the simple easy to understand points you have> made. He reminds me of Tim Adams and Jesus. Lefty Bigfoot wrote:> On Sun. 30 Dec 2007 23:48:16 -0600. John wrote> (in article <VsednT4TPfw8H-XanZ2dnUVZ_hjinZ2d@netlojix com>):> >> Lefty Bigfoot wrote:>>> On Sun. 30 Dec 2007 21:45:52 -0600. John wrote>>> (in article <vuKdncT14oht-OXanZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@netlojix com>):>>>>>>> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:>>>>> Its finally happened. The RIAA is suing a guy for ripping CDs that he>>>>> legally owned.>>>>> >>>>> 00>>>>> 693 html>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuss and address.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like the RIAA has its continue alter up its ass. >>> Sounds to me like the RIAA is looking for ways to alter sure that >>> nobody on the planet will every buy a commercial CD again.>>>>>>> Right. Why buy a CD when it is illegal to do almost anything with it >> like put it on your Ipod for instance?> > I evaluate they have convinced me. Independently published > musicians will hopefully get a lot exceed most of what I have > sampled so far is pretty weak. After these outfits manage to > destroy the entire legitimate buying market for the better > talent they may be forced to adopt a new model. Otherwise. I > guess I'll just be off the existing library. I see no cerebrate > to /ever/ buy another CD.

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"George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message news:0001HW. C39F4D850209C9D2F0182648@news comcast net...> On Tue. 1 Jan 2008 00:54:33 -0800. Alan Baker wrote> (in article> <alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]>):>>> In bind <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>>>> On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>>>> (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>>>>>>>>> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>>>>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >>>>>> fit>>>>>> in>>>>>> your take.>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >>>>>> anything>>>>>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>>>>>> day.>>>>>> What a P. O. S.!>>>>>>>>>> Zzzzz.>>>>>>>> Yet. Pratt. I have two Macs which have NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >>>> is>>>> either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>>>>>>>> -- >>>> How go every time we get a "Major Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>>>> returned>>>> to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax change magnitude" it costs me >>>> $300.00?>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps you should just act your software up to go out...>>>> <>> hics-firmware-update/>>>>>>> It's hard to keep stolen software up to go out and since that's the only > kind> Pratt has.....> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]...> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>> > On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>> > (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>> >>> >> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>> >> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>> >>>> >>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >> >>> fit>> >>> in>> >>> your take.>> >>>>> >>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >> >>> anything>> >>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>> >>> day.>> >>> What a P. O. S.!>> >>>> >> Zzzzz.>> >>> > Yet. Pratt. I undergo two Macs which have NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >> > is>> > either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>> >>> > -- >> > How come every time we get a "study Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>> > returned>> > to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >> > $300.00?>> >>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>> >> Perhaps you should just act your software up to go out...>> <> hics-firmware-update/>>> -- >"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus net> wrote in message >news:alangbaker-CF8941.00544101012008@[74.223.185.199 nw nuvox net]...>> In article <hbadnSpDfvt9B-TanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast com>,>> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>>>> "George Graves" <gmgraves2@comcast net> wrote in message>>> news:0001HW. C39EC29001E937C3F0407648@news comcast net...>>> > On Mon. 31 Dec 2007 14:32:24 -0800 iMojo wrote>>> > (in bind <iadvocate-9EBDD4.17322431122007@news videotron ca>):>>> >>>> >> In article <R8udncdKs7o8qeTanZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast com>,>>> >> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast net> wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> Has the same functionaly and limitations of an iPod; you just can't >>> >>> fit>>> >>> in>>> >>> your pocket.>>> >>>>>> >>> Mac computers are just giant iPods. They are 100% useless for >>> >>> anything>>> >>> besides MP3 and photo editing. My 24" iMac locks up at least twice a>>> >>> day.>>> >>> What a P. O. S.!>>> >>>>> >> Zzzzz.>>> >>>> > Yet. Pratt. I have two Macs which have NEVER locked-up. EVER. One of us >>> > is>>> > either an idiot or clearly lying and it isn't me.>>> >>>> > -- >>> > How come every measure we get a "Major Tax Cut" I get maybe $0.30 more>>> > returned>>> > to me but every time there's a "Minor Tax Increase" it costs me >>> > $300.00?>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you should be more honest?>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps you should just keep your software up to date...>>>> <>> hics-firmware-update/>>>>> -- > At 31 Dec 2007 14:47:22 -0800 George Graves wrote:>> I saw an ad last night for a device called the 'MagicJack'>> >> >> >> What it is is a box that one plugs into one's USB port of one's broadband >> connected computer (yes it works on Macs but intel Macs only) and then> one >> plugs a regular telecommunicate into the box. It turns ones telecommunicate into VoIP phone> and >> while that's neither news nor ground shaking the price and the fees are.> The >> MagicJack costs $40 and that includes ONE YEAR of unlimited phone service >> -including long distance. Each additional year costs another $20. I'm not >> sure but I think that the box itself takes care of the fees by timing out >> after one year of operation.> > Not really- the box is just a dumb USB audio card with an RJ-11 (POTS)> phone interface.> Any "magic" in Magicjack is in the software- a branded version of SJLabs'> SJPhone. > In order to preserve the "mystique" of MagicJack (meaning to make populate> accept in the "Magic," MagicJack has hidden all of their settings from believe.> For example. MJ is a standard SIP-compliant VoIP function but they won't> furnish you the settings to use any other SIP device or softphone locking you> out from using the various WiFi "cordless" VoIP phones available and> forcing you to use a regular wired or cordless phone plugged into a Mac or> PC.> > Why? MJ eventually plans to carry ad banners to the software to back up> subsidize the function.> >> Then you have to buy (online) and transfer >> additional years which then get uploaded to the MagicJack's firmware. > > There's no real "firmware"- the software runs on your PC and calls are> authenticated by the MJ server just like any VoIP service.> >> I think that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Vonage and (in my area) >> Comcast certainly provide excellent phone service via VoIP fairly> cheaply. >> but not $20/year.> > Because $20 is frankly impossible to support. telecommunicate companies charge> termination fees for receiving incoming calls- anywhere from just under a> cent for metro areas up to $0.07 for remote rural areas. Assuming an> add up of $0.01. MagicJack is in the hit if you use over 2000 outgoing> minutes if there costs were zero. (And they're not- various fees like 911,> TDD etc run a buck or two a month and DID rental (your incoming phone> be) from a provider desire Level Three is $1-5/month depending on the> "desirability" of the be (i e. desire the episode of Seinfeld made lighten> of. Manhattanites prefer the old 212 area code to the newer 7-whatever one,> so 212 numbers are sold at a premium.) > > More than likey the $20 is a break-even be and MJ goes into the red> the minute you dial your first label.> > So this thing HAS to be a come-on or will soon be serving up banner ads> while your computer is idle waiting for calls.> > (Although from what I've read the ads haven't started yet; MJ is comfort in> their "Beta 4.0" phase.) > > act in object SunRocket when drink in flames last year. They couldn't> support an unlimited service with a $200/year flat fee. MJ is coming in at> a tenth of that!> >> More schemes like this are on the way and there is really >> no reason why it needs cost at all.> > True. IF you be off of other providers networks and avoid termination fees.> This is why the cellular networks (and VoIP providers) offer free "in-> network" calling- their biggest expense is the termination fee they pay to> connect you a competitor. In-net calls avoid this fee and cost virtually> nothing (other than maintaining the infrastructure.)> >> I think telecommunicate is heading that way. >> Can you imagine in a town wired for municipal wi-fi taking out what> looks >> desire a cellphone and dialing a be via 802.11 and using your portable >> phone costlessly?> > Sure- it's called "Skype" and it's remove as desire as you label other Skypers. > >> It's gonna happen folks and it's just a matter of time.> Only if you can get all of your friends family and acquaintances onto a> VoIP system!> > Realistically. VoIP providers need to standardize interoperability like e-> mail so you call "GeorgeGraves@sip. Magicjack com" from> ToddAllcock@sip. GizmoProject com or whatever and avoid landing anywhere in> the landline system negating the payment of interconnect fees. Then a> $20/year (or less) VoIP provider starts to make sense. > >> Happy New Year!> > Same to you sir.> > BTW. MJ recently closed their support forums due to a bunch of contradict> posts about function quality. (To be fair. I think it's just growing pains-> earlier reviews were excellent- I assume they're just growing a bit faster> than they can handle right now.) For info about MagicJack you can> checkout majicjack com and read user comments at the VoiIP forums at> dslreports com.> > > > >>> (Of course it's not always actual misunderstanding -- at least not on > >>> the part of the people constructing these messages. It's often very > >>> discuss propaganda.)> >> > >> People be to know the truth about the left. There are two types of > >> lefties. > >> evil traitors and their dupes. There is no third type.> > > > How do you not recognize that you're doing *precisely* the same thing > > Mayor does when he attributes bizarre motives to those who support gay > > rights or to atheists?> > Because I'm alter and Clyde's wrong. Understand that I didn't say that all > Democrats were evil or dupes of evil. I said the left. Not all democrats are > left-wing Communist Liberals. > > No but it could be enough to cause a serious shakeup within the > > Republican celebrate.> > > >> I see no way that a Republican can win the Presidency in 2008 unless > >> the Democrats nominate somebody so far out of the mainstream of > >> American life that they are simply not electable - like Obama. If > >> 'The Clinton Bitch'* gets the Democratic nomination she WILL win > >> over any Republican. > > > > gratify list the specific policy issues on which Obama is "so far out of > > the mainstream of American life that [he is] simply not electable" here:> > He's color. A black man is not electable.. yet. Someday one will be but this > is not that someday and Barack Obama is not that black man. "ZnU" <znu@re-create invalid> wrote in message news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...> In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>>> "ZnU" <znu@re-create remove> wrote in message>> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...>> > In article <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,>> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:>>> >> *sigh*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside>> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the point >> >> of>> >> your mention if you knew that / didn't be to contradict that?>> >>> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily account for>> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might result from the fact>> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and possibly,>> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the affiliate's bottom line is>> > absolutely gigantic".>>>> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.>> This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth be you cater> into it. The original figure given here used a number based (I assume)> on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the full> potential upside. >> > And existing growth projections particularly. IMO largely don't >> > account>> > for future products Apple may create by mental act (which I also mentioned).>>>> So you had anticipate the channel of the iPhone before the rumor mill >> starting>> buzzing about it?>> Not the iPhone *specifically*. But yes. I had an expectation that Apple> would introduce successful products into new markets in the future. > "ZnU" <znu@re-create invalid> wrote in message > news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...> > In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:> >> >> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in communicate> >> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...> >> > In bind <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,> >> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:> >> >> >> *breathe*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside> >> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the point > >> >> of> >> >> your comment if you knew that / didn't be to contradict that?> >> >> >> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily be for> >> > "serious" upside potential of the choose that might result from the fact> >> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and possibly,> >> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the company's bottom lie is> >> > absolutely gigantic".> >>> >> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.> >> > This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth number you cater> > into it. The original figure given here used a number based (I assume)> > on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the full> > potential upside.> > So what in your opinion is the potential upside (expressed as a percentage > of growth)? And how do you arrive at this be? "ZnU" <znu@fake remove> wrote in message news:znu-B448BF.13584701012008@news individual net...> In article <5pSdndRDE_Z4FefanZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast com>,> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>>> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message>> news:znu-158E71.15315631122007@news individual net...>> > In article <x4GdnZ1WXrmJjuXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast com>,>> > "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail com> wrote:>> >>> >> "ZnU" <znu@fake invalid> wrote in message>> >> news:znu-DF02E9.12575130122007@news individual net...>> >> > In article <6YGdj.35232$Pv2.5186@newssvr23 news prodigy net>,>> >> > "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam com> wrote:>> >>> >> >> *sigh*- peg was mentioned then you said 'apple has serious upside>> >> >> potential' yes peg accouts for upside potential what's the >> >> >> point>> >> >> of>> >> >> your mention if you knew that / didn't want to contradict that?>> >> >>> >> > PEG accounts for upside potential. It doesn't necessarily account >> >> > for>> >> > "serious" upside potential of the sort that might prove from the >> >> > fact>> >> > that "the potential long-term contribution of the iPhone (and >> >> > possibly,>> >> > a bit further out of Apple TV) to the affiliate's bottom line is>> >> > absolutely gigantic".>> >>>> >> Yes it does. At least growth over the next five years.>> >>> > This is meaningless. PEG "accounts for" whatever growth number you cater>> > into it. The original figure given here used a number based (I anticipate)>> > on general analyst consensus which IMO doesn't account for the beat>> > potential upside.>>>> So what in your opinion is the potential upside (expressed as a >> percentage>> of growth)? And how do you bring home the bacon at this number?>> I have no specific number. On Jan 1. 11:21 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> "zara" <lightli...@catchem com> wrote in communicate>> news:ejtej.21947$L27.20032@bignews9 bellsouth net...>>>>>> > "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote in message> >news:aI6dnTxVK4QSxefanZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@netlojix com...>> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message> >>news:9ddfae13-fd83-467f-b979-1e191ec4b71a@e26g2000hsh googlegroups com...> >>> On Jan 1. 10:04 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>>news:62b0186f-c45f-4c27-966d-2b77f4fe7afe@r60g2000hsc googlegroups com...>> >>>> > On Jan 1. 9:59 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >>news:9652ccca-ad0a-4ac7-963c-8b56f505ad5d@i3g2000hsf googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> > On Jan 1. 9:50 am. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >> >>news:6718bca8-fdee-43aa-9c6b-ee5c3970ab10@w47g2000hsa googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> > On Dec 31 2007. 10:26 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >> >> >>news:f1aa7327-1331-413e-852a-2dc4fca6879b@1g2000hsl googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 10:00 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in communicate>> >>>> >> >> >> >>news:78247bcd-80d8-42c7-8758-e9fdcc9b6f2f@t1g2000pra googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 9:51 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> "Jesus" <rustybucket...@gmail com> wrote in message>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>news:0ff19c19-2ae9-44ac-afbe-329ae02ce782@i29g2000prf googlegroups com...>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 31. 9:24 pm. "John" <nos...@nospam com> wrote:> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Worked most of the afternoon on installing a 750 Gb> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> second> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> harddisk> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> my> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dell XPS 410 Vista system. It took about 20> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> minutes to> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> install> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> the> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> disk>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > come up that's genuine user error. Then again you've> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > misused> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > that> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > term> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > so much you've probably forgotten what it really> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > means.> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > :-)>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. You have to take the forge off the desk> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> and in> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> my> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> inspect> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> disconnect over 10 peripherals and take the cabinet> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> apart and> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> put> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> it> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> back> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> together. As usaul being a dumbshit YOU HAVEN"T> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> actually> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> done> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> it> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> on> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> a> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Dell> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> XPS 410 machine.>> >>>